I'm starting 2 hope Jimmy can prove people wrong.

[CRA]

Do you know how often Chud's offense in Cleveland went to backs and tight ends? And do you know what his average YPC to receivers was?

I think you have forgotten, if you do, or you wouldn't say he was going to have Clausen sit in the pocket and throw downfield.

do you know how much of the offensive production in the pass game came from throws 10 yards or farther downfield??? that is actual throws that went that distance and not plays. The majority of it.

When Chud's offense has been successful the throws downfield are what the offense is about. Not checkdowns and YAC.

[Happy Panther]

I also think it's important to note that on top of being a rookie, Clausen did not have the benefit of being prepared to be the starting QB during the preseason.

You'll notice that most teams make a decision very early on whether or not they will start the rookie QB so they can get him as many reps in mini-camp, OTA's, training camp etc.

How does that explain December?

[Cyberjag]

do you know how much of the offensive production in the pass game came from throws 10 yards or farther downfield??? that is actual throws that went that distance and not plays. The majority of it.

When Chud's offense has been successful the throws downfield are what the offense is about. Not checkdowns and YAC.

Total BS. Net YPA was 6.6 in 2007, and 4.6 in 2008. Both numbers are fairly low for an NFL team, by the way. His system is all about the short-to-mid-range passing game and running the ball. His teams went vertical, but only when given the opportunity by the defense. In fact, they were third in the NFL in 2007 in passes over 20 yards, with about 3.3 per game. Take those 3.3 out of the equation and figure out how far all the other passes must have been. And then tell me how they're moving the ball by going long all the time.

[Ricky Spanish]

Yes, I'm psychotic.

And he improved as the season progressed, didn't turn the ball over, got progressively better ratings, and frankly I thought he looked more comfortable out there. He played a much, much tougher slate of games too.

IMO, he's a much better fit for Coryell than Erhardt-Perkins. Yes, he will need to go deep occasionally, he did in Davidson's offense too. But Coryell uses backs as receivers more, and the Turner variant uses the Tight End a ton more. Imagine more called plays to Williams, where he's getting the ball by design rather than as the fourth check-down. Same with Rosario. Coryell also has a couple quick reads and then a release, while EP has more options after the snap. So a QB who gets knocks on indecision is going to look better in Coryell just because there's not as much to think about.

And frankly, from what I've gathered from your body of posts about him, I kind of doubt that you think he's a fit for anything.

his highest QB rating in a month was 70.5, and that was only because he played one game in january.

his QB rating from month to month was:

september-46.1 3 games played

october- 59.0 2 games played

november 59.5 3 games

december 59.1 4 games played

january 70.5 1 game played

[monstercat]

As a Panther fan I hope Jimmy becomes a great QB. As football fans, can we please stop making so many excuses for the guy? The offense wasn't QB friendy, it was to early for him, those can be valid excuses. But y'all are making too big a deal of him not being the starter in preseason and and getting reps with Smith. There were plenty of QBs who were backups at the start of the season and looked at least decent as starters. Yes getting reps with the 1st team helps, but it is not a reason to blame for sucking. And Clausen was working with Gettis and Lafell on second team, so he should have been pretty comfortable with them and able to get them the ball down the field.

You got a point there. Matt Moore didn't even go to TC with the Panthers, so he had to learn the Cowboys offense and the Panthers offense as a rookie, and then got thrown in the fire in the middle of the season, but he did pretty well then. I think the pressure of being "the guy" got to him in 2010 though.

[CRA]

Total BS. Net YPA was 6.6 in 2007, and 4.6 in 2008. Both numbers are fairly low for an NFL team, by the way. His system is all about the short-to-mid-range passing game and running the ball. His teams went vertical, but only when given the opportunity by the defense. In fact, they were third in the NFL in 2007 in passes over 20 yards, with about 3.3 per game. Take those 3.3 out of the equation and figure out how far all the other passes must have been. And then tell me how they're moving the ball by going long all the time.

Not bs at all. They were only successful in 2007 b/c that is the only year they got the QB play.

52% of the yards, 69% of the scoring was done from throws downfield (10 yards or more). Like I have said, Chud offense is about what a QB can do 10-20 yards downfield. Going downfield doesn't mean 20 or 40 yards often. It means using 10-20 yard window downfield.

Nothing about Clausen suggest he can stay in the pocket and makse those throws consistantly (batted balls, failure to stay in the pocket, etc). If you can't operate 10-20 yards downfield you can't operate Chud's offense.....or many offenses (like Fox's). That is the bottom line.

[Cyberjag]

his highest QB rating in a month was 70.5, and that was only because he played one game in january.

his QB rating from month to month was:

september-46.1 3 games played

october- 59.0 2 games played

november 59.5 3 games

december 59.1 4 games played

january 70.5 1 game played

I think when I did the math I didn't break it out by month, but by first four games, next four, final four. I also think I tossed out the games where he split snaps with others. Done that way, his numbers show a slight improvement. Which goes to show that you can bend stats, right?

You can also take into account that in his final six games he faced four division winners and two poor teams. He split the poor teams (the defense gave up a late FG at Cleveland and then Kasay missed a 42 yard game winner, and against AZ he was very good), and lost to the others. But you can also look at things like the difference in Pittsburgh and Chicago. Against the Bears he looked completely beaten--confused and shellshocked. Against the Steelers, he was harassed just as much and looked bad, but he never looked scared.

I know a lot of this is subjective, but I honestly think he got better. And I believe he's going to continue to get a lot better.

[Cyberjag]

Not bs at all. They were only successful in 2007 b/c that is the only year they got the QB play.

52% of the yards, 69% of the scoring was done from throws downfield (10 yards or more). Like I have said, Chud offense is about what a QB can do 10-20 yards downfield. Going downfield doesn't mean 20 or 40 yards often. It means using 10-20 yard window downfield.

Nothing about Clausen suggest he can stay in the pocket and makse those throws consistantly. If you can't operate 10-20 yards downfield you can't operate Chud's offense.....or many offenses (like Fox's).

Where are you getting your stats from? And 10-20 yards isn't extreme at all.

His receivers in 2007 averaged 14 yards per reception. Edwards was their leading receiver, and he averaged 4 yards after catch. His Tight Ends averaged 4.3 yards after catch, and they got 13.5 yards per reception. So he wasn't tossing it 20 yards down the field anyway, it was more like an average of 10, which includes the 3.3 times per game they got a 20+ yard reception.

The math doesn't support your argument.

[Cyberjag]

By the way, he went to his running backs and tight ends more often than his receivers. Those are even shorter passes.

[MHS831]

Glad to see all of the good comments. I think you are all right. Jimmy was underprotected, green, confused, and unsupported.

About sitting out: Watched a documentary on P. Manning. He said that he was thankful for his rookie season and starting, even though it was tragic at times.

If Clausen came out this year, he would be the top QB in the draft and we would take him #1 overall.

Coach up Pike and Clausen. Bring in a veteran like Volek. When nobody signs Moore because he is rehabbing, sign him on the cheap and put him on IR. He too deserves a shot.

[SPANKY]

I hope Jimmy has a great run here, but the way he was thrown in the fire in his rookie year can rattle some QB's and never should've happened. If he can regroup and show the coaching staff something, he's got a chance. Now all we have to do is wait and see. Who know's, he would'nt be the first QB to rebound from a bad rookie year.

[CRA]

Where are you getting your stats from? And 10-20 yards isn't extreme at all.

His receivers in 2007 averaged 14 yards per reception. Edwards was their leading receiver, and he averaged 4 yards after catch. His Tight Ends averaged 4.3 yards after catch, and they got 13.5 yards per reception. So he wasn't tossing it 20 yards down the field anyway, it was more like an average of 10, which includes the 3.3 times per game they got a 20+ yard reception.

The math doesn't support your argument.

like I said, downfield doesn't mean 20 or 40 yards. It is the 10 to 20 yard window downfield that is important.

2007 Browns - Derrick Anderson (from ESPN).

Passes thrown 11-20 yards -1439 yards, 12 TDs

Passes thrown 21-30 yards - 305 yards, 4 TDs

Passes thrown 31-40 yards - 216 yards, 4 TDs.

that is 1966 yards and 20 TDs from throws 10 yards or further downfield. They are the most important throws in Chud's offense (11-20 range)......you can checkdown or take the occassinal 20+ deep shot but his offense lives and dies in the 10-20 yard area downfield. You gotta be able to sit in the pocket and throw downfield or Chud's offense doesn't work (10-20 yards is downfield). Yes, RB and TEs and the short game is obviously part of the offense.....but any QB can dump it off. Any QB can't operate 10 yard downfield.

[MHS831]

How does that explain December?

December: OL: Gross, Bernadeau, Kalil, Schwartz, Williams

RB: Goodson, Stewart

Schedule included Atlanta, at Seattle, and at Pittsburgh.

True or False

In December, the coaches were working hard and dilligently preparing game plans. (Answer: F)

Over the last 2 sea sons, Scherer has had three QBs start multiple games. Jake, Matt Moore, and Clausen. Before that, Scherer oversaw the demise of Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. Scherer is a good QB coach (Answer:F)

Fill in the Blank

Name the rookie QBs in the NFL today and throughout its history who would have succeeded as a starter this season? ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

(Answer: Trick question. None)

[Happy Panther]

Fill in the Blank

Name the rookie QBs in the NFL today and throughout its history who would have succeeded as a starter this season? ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

(Answer: Trick question. None)

Name the rookie QBs in the NFL today and throughout its history who would have shown us anything that suggested an NFL caliber QB?

(Answer: lots)