I'm starting 2 hope Jimmy can prove people wrong.

[Ricky Spanish]

clausen did absolutely nothing spectacular at notre dame. watch his game film. at least 75% of all his throws are either screens or quick hits to his receivers. all very easy throws that anyone can make. any stats he got were due to his receivers YAC abilities. if his quick hit wasn't open, he would dump it off to his RB and let him do work. his stats in college lie.

he will not do well in chud's offense, especially if it relies on vertical passing. he is better suited for a west coast style offense. I want him to be good, but I really just don't see it happening.

[CRA]

clausen did absolutely nothing spectacular at notre dame. watch his game film. at least 75% of all his throws are either screens or quick hits to his receivers. all very easy throws that anyone can make. any stats he got were due to his receivers YAC abilities. if his quick hit wasn't open, he would dump it off to his RB and let him do work. his stats in college lie.

he will not do well in chud's offense, especially if it relies on vertical passing. he is better suited for a west coast style offense. I want him to be good, but I really just don't see it happening.

yep, Clausen looked exactly like the Notre Dame QB this season. That ain't the doing of Rip/Fox. That is how Jimmy plays the QB position. Jimmy has a shot at being a WCO QB.....but there is little to suggest he has the skill set/ability to run an offense that has a focus on downfield throwing from in the pocket. Wishful thinking......

[coralreefer_1]

I agree with the OP, but this thread is just sad.

I'm not going to go back and look at each posters comments in prior weeks, but man it wasn't more than a few weeks ago nearly everyone had Luck's pic at their sig/profile pic...could not stop sniffing the guys nuts, could not make a single post without mentioning the guys name and how he would the be all end all of Panthers football....going on and on about how JC was crap and would never be an NFL caliber QB...etc etc..

Now Suddenly more than a few have chimed in to say JC he wasn't really given a fair chance for this and that reason...etc.

It sounds like a guy at the bar who has an ugly girlfriend he is not happy with..but thinks highly of himself and has enough ego to talk crap about his girlfriend and turn around and approach/hit on the hottest woman in the bar..and when she shoots him down like a dog he looks back at the girlfriend he thought was ugly and decides she isn't really so bad after all.

Where was all of this "understanding" of Clausen and the situation he was in a few weeks ago?

[monstercat]

So if Jimmy is a failure this year, are we all gonna blame the new QB coach for it like always, or are we all gonna realize that the talent and work ethic of the player is actually more important than his position coach?

And no, I don't hope he is a failure...I hope JC dose a complete 180 from what we saw last year. I'm just getting really tired of everybody blaming the coaches for not turning every single QB prospect in to Aaron Rodgers, regardless of their natural ability or capacity to learn. Nobody could have tought Chris Weinke how to move his feet faster or to stop watching the rushers instead of his WR's, because he just didn't have the ability to do those things, in the first place. If it was as easy as getting a better coach, then teams wouldn't put so much time and effort into getting the right player.

[OneBadassCat]

Jimmy would do us all a huge favor if he was really the guy. I think everyone wants him to do good but we didn't see any results or any kind of potential last season. He was outplayed by a 3rd year UDFA who looked every bit if not more talented.

[CRA]

So if Jimmy is a failure this year, are we all gonna blame the new QB coach for it like always, or are we all gonna realize that the talent and work ethic of the player is actually more important than his position coach?

And no, I don't hope he is a failure...I hope JC dose a complete 180 from what we saw last year. I'm just getting really tired of everybody blaming the coaches for not turning every single QB prospect in to Aaron Rodgers, regardless of their natural ability or capacity to learn. Nobody could have tought Chris Weinke how to move his feet faster or to stop watching the rushers instead of his WR's, because he just didn't have the ability to do those things, in the first place. If it was as easy as getting a better coach, then teams wouldn't put so much time and effort into getting the right player.

yeah, I mean until Jake blew his elbow out.....Delhomme was a pretty dang good QB in Carolina. So the coaches aren't this huge death touch.......in fact they took a nobody and won with him. Moore overall has looked pretty good in his starts.

I mean, David Carr sucked......it wasn't the coaches didn't put him in a good sitautions.

[DaCityKats]

i want him to be successful, but i also doubt he will.

[Cyberjag]

You know, McCoy didn't become the QB coach until 2003. Who's to say that Jake would have been nearly as good if he wasn't his coach the entire time?

And I saw potential from Clausen next year. I think he's going to be a lot better, and I believe he'll beat out whatever washed up veteran we get this off-season. Maybe if we trade for Palmer he'll ride the bench, but I'm betting he wins the job outright. And based on a ton of posts from a ton of people here, that should come as a legitimate surprise to most of you.

[Ricky Spanish]

You know, McCoy didn't become the QB coach until 2003. Who's to say that Jake would have been nearly as good if he wasn't his coach the entire time?

And I saw potential from Clausen next year. I think he's going to be a lot better, and I believe he'll beat out whatever washed up veteran we get this off-season. Maybe if we trade for Palmer he'll ride the bench, but I'm betting he wins the job outright. And based on a ton of posts from a ton of people here, that should come as a legitimate surprise to most of you.

you can see into the future?!?!?!:eek:

no seriously though, what potential did you see from this kid because I saw none.

[CRA]

You know, McCoy didn't become the QB coach until 2003. Who's to say that Jake would have been nearly as good if he wasn't his coach the entire time?

And I saw potential from Clausen next year. I think he's going to be a lot better, and I believe he'll beat out whatever washed up veteran we get this off-season. Maybe if we trade for Palmer he'll ride the bench, but I'm betting he wins the job outright. And based on a ton of posts from a ton of people here, that should come as a legitimate surprise to most of you.

I still think too much is put on position coaches.....it is more about being a good fit.

During the Jake era, we needed a QB to hand it off and take shots downfield. That is Delhomme football. He fits. He is a gambler not afraid to hang in the pocket (often too long) and sling in downfield. Good marriage until he blew his elbow out. Rip wasn't Jake's issue......QBs don't comeback from Tommy John, nothing more.

Chud requires a similar QB that a Fox offense did (granted, it willl be more QB friendly). Stay in the pocket and take shots downfield (10-20 yards). Nothing about Clausen in college or the pros suggests he is a good fit imo.

[Cyberjag]

you can see into the future?!?!?!:eek:

no seriously though, what potential did you see from this kid because I saw none.

Yes, I'm psychotic.

And he improved as the season progressed, didn't turn the ball over, got progressively better ratings, and frankly I thought he looked more comfortable out there. He played a much, much tougher slate of games too.

I still think too much is put on position coaches.....it is more about being a good fit.

During the Jake era, we needed a QB to hand it off and take shots downfield. That is Delhomme football. He fits. He is a gambler not afraid to hang in the pocket (often too long) and sling in downfield. Good marriage until he blew his elbow out. Rip wasn't Jake's issue......QBs don't comeback from Tommy John, nothing more.

Chud requires a similar QB that a Fox offense did (granted, it willl be more QB friendly). Stay in the pocket and take shots downfield (10-20 yards). Nothing about Clausen in college or the pros suggests he is a good fit imo.

IMO, he's a much better fit for Coryell than Erhardt-Perkins. Yes, he will need to go deep occasionally, he did in Davidson's offense too. But Coryell uses backs as receivers more, and the Turner variant uses the Tight End a ton more. Imagine more called plays to Williams, where he's getting the ball by design rather than as the fourth check-down. Same with Rosario. Coryell also has a couple quick reads and then a release, while EP has more options after the snap. So a QB who gets knocks on indecision is going to look better in Coryell just because there's not as much to think about.

And frankly, from what I've gathered from your body of posts about him, I kind of doubt that you think he's a fit for anything.

[CRA]

Yes, I'm psychotic.

And he improved as the season progressed, didn't turn the ball over, got progressively better ratings, and frankly I thought he looked more comfortable out there. He played a much, much tougher slate of games too.

IMO, he's a much better fit for Coryell than Erhardt-Perkins. Yes, he will need to go deep occasionally, he did in Davidson's offense too. But Coryell uses backs as receivers more, and the Turner variant uses the Tight End a ton more. Imagine more called plays to Williams, where he's getting the ball by design rather than as the fourth check-down. Same with Rosario. Coryell also has a couple quick reads and then a release, while EP has more options after the snap. So a QB who gets knocks on indecision is going to look better in Coryell just because there's not as much to think about.

And frankly, from what I've gathered from your body of posts about him, I kind of doubt that you think he's a fit for anything.

well, I have constantly said I think he is more of a fit for a WCO. Clausen played just like he did at Notre Dame last season. Nothing suggests he is the kind of QB to sit in a pocket and throw downfield in the NFL (and not just a rare throw). That is what Chud is going to require of a QB. Clausen has always had that David Carr mentality.......you can just make plays in college w/ it.

[chef17]

As a Panther fan I hope Jimmy becomes a great QB. As football fans, can we please stop making so many excuses for the guy? The offense wasn't QB friendy, it was to early for him, those can be valid excuses. But y'all are making too big a deal of him not being the starter in preseason and and getting reps with Smith. There were plenty of QBs who were backups at the start of the season and looked at least decent as starters. Yes getting reps with the 1st team helps, but it is not a reason to blame for sucking. And Clausen was working with Gettis and Lafell on second team, so he should have been pretty comfortable with them and able to get them the ball down the field.

[Cyberjag]

well, I have constantly said I think he is more of a fit for a WCO. Clausen played just like he did at Notre Dame last season. Nothing suggests he is the kind of QB to sit in a pocket and throw downfield in the NFL (and not just a rare throw). That is what Chud is going to require of a QB. Clausen has always had that David Carr mentality.......you can just make plays in college w/ it.

Do you know how often Chud's offense in Cleveland went to backs and tight ends? And do you know what his average YPC to receivers was?

I think you have forgotten, if you do, or you wouldn't say he was going to have Clausen sit in the pocket and throw downfield.