I'm starting 2 hope Jimmy can prove people wrong.

[Punisher]

In Eli Manning's rookie year, he played in nine games, won one, and finished with a rating of 55.4. And that was with Ike Hilliard, Amani Toomer, and Jeremy Shockey on the roster. He also had a vet on the bench in Kurt Warner to support him a little.

When you take the blinders off where Clausen is concerned, there's a lot of reason for hope.

How many touchdowns did he throw to his wide receivers.

[Punisher]

OP why stop at hoping Jimmy does well? Why not hope Matt Moore does well too? Armanti Edwards? Tony Pike? Lets bring Fasani back up and hope he does well too. Or *gasps* Newton if we draft him. Doesn't any of them doing well benefit the Panthers? This thread should be titled I hope a Panther's QB does well next otherwise your bias for Jimmy shows.

[mav1234]

In Eli Manning's rookie year, he played in nine games, won one, and finished with a rating of 55.4. And that was with Ike Hilliard, Amani Toomer, and Jeremy Shockey on the roster. He also had a vet on the bench in Kurt Warner to support him a little.

When you take the blinders off where Clausen is concerned, there's a lot of reason for hope.

reason to hope he improves? sure. I mean, to be perfectly honest, could Clausen possibly be worse this year?

You can't just compare his QB rating to Eli's, Aikman's, etc, and say "Well they turned it around!" Both of those QBs showed more than Clausen and even if their overall numbers were awful (Eli actually posted a 0 QB rating in a game, ROFL), you still got a hint maybe they'd have something. Back to Eli, he finished the year strong by putting up a couple nice games and showing improvement and decent consistency over a 3 game spread even if they didn't win. 5 of his TDs came in that time period, with only 3 INTs, and he had >60% completion percentage over that period.

Clausen, well, he had a good game against Arizona and I do hope he gets better. There is virtually no way he doesn't improve; the question is, will his improvement be enough?

As a note, Eli only had 6 TDs his rookie year (with 9 ints) and I think only 1 of his TDs was to a WR. So meh. :P

[Cyberjag]

Any that were as bad as Clausen was?

Yes, some were worse, and few were in worse situations.

How many touchdowns did he throw to his wide receivers.

Hell if I know. How many TDs did he throw to opposing cornerbacks? He had to do something to suck so bad, right?

reason to hope he improves? sure. I mean, to be perfectly honest, could Clausen possibly be worse this year?

You can't just compare his QB rating to Eli's, Aikman's, etc, and say "Well they turned it around!" Both of those QBs showed more than Clausen and even if their overall numbers were awful (Eli actually posted a 0 QB rating in a game, ROFL), you still got a hint maybe they'd have something. Back to Eli, he finished the year strong by putting up a couple nice games and showing improvement and decent consistency over a 3 game spread even if they didn't win. 5 of his TDs came in that time period, with only 3 INTs, and he had >60% completion percentage over that period.

Clausen, well, he had a good game against Arizona and I do hope he gets better. There is virtually no way he doesn't improve; the question is, will his improvement be enough?

As a note, Eli only had 6 TDs his rookie year (with 9 ints) and I think only 1 of his TDs was to a WR. So meh. :P

Everyone on this board sat through all of Clausens's struggles, and watched every single mistake. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people who hate Clausen didn't do the same for Freeman, Manning, McNabb, Stafford, Aikman, Fouts, Sanchez, or any other QB who struggled as a rookie. And I can't think of any NFL QB who had to start several games as a rookie for a lame duck coaching staff that was playing rookie wide receivers as well. But despite all that, all of you *know* he's hopeless.

For all of you, I have to confess something. I have a lot more faith in Clausen's ability to get better than I do in your ability to evaluate talent.

[mav1234]

Everyone on this board sat through all of Clausens's struggles, and watched every single mistake. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people who hate Clausen didn't do the same for Freeman, Manning, McNabb, Stafford, Aikman, Fouts, Sanchez, or any other QB who struggled as a rookie. And I can't think of any NFL QB who had to start several games as a rookie for a lame duck coaching staff that was playing rookie wide receivers as well. But despite all that, all of you *know* he's hopeless.

For all of you, I have to confess something. I have a lot more faith in Clausen's ability to get better than I do in your ability to evaluate talent.

Obviously, the situation Clausen came into wasn't nearly as good as we hoped it would be. It sucked. He did not make it all that much better, but I didn't really expect him to. I did expect him to show a bit more than what he did, though. He looked nothing like what I remembered at Notre Dame... His release seemed slow and even lower than I remembered, he appeared to have trouble reading the field, he was uncomfortable in the pocket even when he got protection, and was too resistant to pushing the ball down the field... and while a great deal of that does come back to coaching, it wasn't ALL coaching. Some of it was his play, rookie or not.

I don't know why you group everyone else together who isn't all over Clausen. Most of us don't know he's hopeless at all, we just have very little reason to believe he's going to go from terrible to elite, or even to good. Just like all the rest of us, you are speculating, so don't act like your judgment is so much better.

Obviously he is going to improve next year, because he literally can't get much worse. But I don't want him just to improve, I want him to excel, and my expectation of that happening is very low.

He's going to get his chance in camp and I bet nearly everyone here wants him to... but the majority of posters in this thread just don't believe he'd win a fair QB competition against just about anyone.

PS: I did watch almost all of Eli Manning's rookie year because I was living outside of NYC at the time. :) All I remember is he sucked terribly until the end, then looked decent enough for a rookie, but he was far from spectacular.

[Snake]

Obviously, the situation Clausen came into wasn't nearly as good as we hoped it would be. It sucked. He did not make it all that much better, but I didn't really expect him to. I did expect him to show a bit more than what he did, though. He looked nothing like what I remembered at Notre Dame... His release seemed slow and even lower than I remembered, he appeared to have trouble reading the field, he was uncomfortable in the pocket even when he got protection, and was too resistant to pushing the ball down the field... and while a great deal of that does come back to coaching, it wasn't ALL coaching. Some of it was his play, rookie or not.

I don't know why you group everyone else together who isn't all over Clausen. Most of us don't know he's hopeless at all, we just have very little reason to believe he's going to go from terrible to elite, or even to good. Just like all the rest of us, you are speculating, so don't act like your judgment is so much better.

Obviously he is going to improve next year, because he literally can't get much worse. But I don't want him just to improve, I want him to excel, and my expectation of that happening is very low.

He's going to get his chance in camp and I bet nearly everyone here wants him to... but the majority of posters in this thread just don't believe he'd win a fair QB competition against just about anyone.

PS: I did watch almost all of Eli Manning's rookie year because I was living outside of NYC at the time. :) All I remember is he sucked terribly until the end, then looked decent enough for a rookie, but he was far from spectacular.

Well the past tells us most QBs regress in there second year some. Still to tell you the truth he will have to learn a new system that he has never played in before and will have to mature. Im really not sure he can do either, and it want be from the lack of trying but just because he is not going to be NFL ready.

[mav1234]

Well the past tells us most QBs regress in there second year some. Still to tell you the truth he will have to learn a new system that he has never played in before and will have to mature. Im really not sure he can do either, and it want be from the lack of trying but just because he is not going to be NFL ready.

I don't agree with this. Sure, some don't look as good, but usually the sophomore slump isn't quite them regressing as much as the quarterback having more responsibilities within the offense and still needing to adjust to the NFL... but that isn't always the case, either, and there are plenty of cases where the second year was the better year for a quarterback. I do not see this as an issue with Clausen honestly because I think this situation this year will overall be better..

The offense we're running is going to be designed to be easier on young quarterbacks, etc... maybe he won't be able to do it, but it won't be due to our coaches having too complicated a system.

[JawnyBlaze]

Usually the sophomore slump hits those QBs that actually do well their first year more than ones that sucked their first year.

[Jangler]

Usually the sophomore slump hits those QBs that actually do well their first year more than ones that sucked their first year.

Only way is up!

Okay, now can this never ending thread...end?

[Snake]

I don't agree with this. Sure, some don't look as good, but usually the sophomore slump isn't quite them regressing as much as the quarterback having more responsibilities within the offense and still needing to adjust to the NFL... but that isn't always the case, either, and there are plenty of cases where the second year was the better year for a quarterback. I do not see this as an issue with Clausen honestly because I think this situation this year will overall be better..

The offense we're running is going to be designed to be easier on young quarterbacks, etc... maybe he won't be able to do it, but it won't be due to our coaches having too complicated a system.

Semantics and optimism there.

[Cyberjag]

Well the past tells us most QBs regress in there second year some. Still to tell you the truth he will have to learn a new system that he has never played in before and will have to mature. Im really not sure he can do either, and it want be from the lack of trying but just because he is not going to be NFL ready.

Usually the sophomore slump hits those QBs that actually do well their first year more than ones that sucked their first year.

JawynBlaze hits it. I actually took the time to review the stats of QBs who got a lot of starts their rookie year, and most of the time the only slumps come from QBs who don't play like rookies. Ant there haven't been too many of them.

There are many, many more instances of a rookie QB struggling and getting better. There are also a few where it took several seasons to get better (like with Aikman). But among the ones who had tough rookie years, there's almost always an improvement unless they get benched like Kyle Orton (rating of 59.7, only played in three games in his soph year, but got a rating of 73.9 and the following year played 15 with a rating of 79) did.

[koolkatluke]

OP why stop at hoping Jimmy does well? Why not hope Matt Moore does well too? Armanti Edwards? Tony Pike? Lets bring Fasani back up and hope he does well too. Or *gasps* Newton if we draft him. Doesn't any of them doing well benefit the Panthers? This thread should be titled I hope a Panther's QB does well next otherwise your bias for Jimmy shows.

Because I didn't want 2 write that much but as a panther fan I hope all these player improve. Like I said Jimmy out of every other person on your list is taking the most blame for last season. Plus (JMO) If he improves it helps the team alot and gives us alot of option.

[panthers55]

Almost 400 posts. Wow. So many twists and turns. The Clausen supporters who are now the apologists against the supposed Clausen haters.

I suspect most are like me, not a supporter or detractor, just wanting the position to be better no matter who is installed as starter. It doesn't matter last year whether it was Moore or Clausen so much as no matter who started they played horrible equally sharing the blame. There was plenty to go around for sure.

Last year is over and done. I am looking forward to what is hopefully going to happen if there is a CBA, not rehashing how bad it was last year. Honestly I don't want to remember much of what happened in 2010 pretty much across the board. A bad year for football, for sure.

LET IT GO!!!

[MHS831]

Yes, some were worse, and few were in worse situations.

Hell if I know. How many TDs did he throw to opposing cornerbacks? He had to do something to suck so bad, right?

Everyone on this board sat through all of Clausens's struggles, and watched every single mistake. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people who hate Clausen didn't do the same for Freeman, Manning, McNabb, Stafford, Aikman, Fouts, Sanchez, or any other QB who struggled as a rookie. And I can't think of any NFL QB who had to start several games as a rookie for a lame duck coaching staff that was playing rookie wide receivers as well. But despite all that, all of you *know* he's hopeless.

For all of you, I have to confess something. I have a lot more faith in Clausen's ability to get better than I do in your ability to evaluate talent.

Here! Here! Well written, sir. And don't forget the history of his QB coach, the injuries to the OL, and the fact that even the TV broadcasters were questioning the neophyte Offensive coordinator, etc. It all weighs on a ROOKIE.