I'm starting 2 hope Jimmy can prove people wrong.

[koolkatluke]

I'd give Cam the nod on leadership and being more natural in that type role. That was the biggest positive about Jake....he had that and imo it goes along way.

Why because he was a leader for 1 year at Arburn? Was he a great leader at Florida when he was getting arrested?

[blackcatgrowl]

Before I get started with you i already know your dumb. I would put money on If Cam was drafted here he wouldn't beat out Clausen. Other then him being bigger a great athlete and having a stronger arm. I don't see many other Catagory he's better then Jimmy.

Tell me. Exactly how, in any college stat, awards, or anything he did last year, is Clausen better in any tangible football category than Newton?

This is irony in it's purest form.

Besides, this isn't a pro-Newton thread. It's a defending Clausen thread. The guy fuging sucks and it shows. Half the time he's throwing the damn ball into the stands, the other half he's not even clearing the reach of D-Linemen.

Oh... I'm sorry.... he did manage to make a couple short sideline throws on broken coverage. I'd bet he was aiming for a Coach tho.

[SPANKY]

He isn't blackcat, it's that simple. I mean if Cam's bigger, stronger arm, we know he can run, his team won a NCAA national title...look if I connect the dot's it make's a picture!

[CRA]

But that's your Opinion CRA and you can have that. But I rather listen and get info about scouting players from people who get paid 2 be scouts. Not MB GM and Walmart baggers who blame the kid for everything that happen this season.

You say you don't think he can be a NFL qb. My question is what scounting service or Football team do you work for? Why should I trust your opinion over Ron Jaworski or Mayock? Too be as sure as you are you have 2 have played QB for 10 years in the NFL.

the real NFL scouts are the reason he dropped to the 48th pick. He was deemed a mid 2nd round QB by people that matter.....

that ain't the type QB you waste years on seeing if he will develop after a horrible season. You don't spend seasons trying to develop a mid 2nd rounder into something besides the worst starting QB in the NFL. That can become a plan B or C as you always need possible options.

for every former player claiming X, you can find one claiming Y

[csx]

actually, this is a thread about hoping he gets better...since it's obviously in the teams best interest that he does

[koolkatluke]

Tell me. Exactly how, in any college stat, awards, or anything he did last year, is Clausen better in any tangible football category than Newton?

This is irony in it's purest form.

Besides, this isn't a pro-Newton thread. It's a defending Clausen thread. The guy fuging sucks and it shows. Half the time he's throwing the damn ball into the stands, the other half he's not even clearing the reach of D-Linemen.

Oh... I'm sorry.... he did manage to make a couple short sideline throws on broken coverage. I'd bet he was aiming for a Coach tho.

Per walterfootball

Jimmy Clausen Scouting Report

By Matt McGuire

Strengths:

Solid size and adequate bulk

Very good arm strength; can fit balls into tight windows

Extremely quick, snappy release

Great accuracy

Nice hip torque on throws

Gets rid of ball quickly

Very decisive with the football

Takes what defense gives him; doesn't force ball/will throw away

Elite football IQ

Great touch

Well versed in NFL offense

Good sense of timing

Will step up/out of pocket

Knows how to read coverage

Sees the entire field; great vision

Very polished for a true junior

Shown outstanding development from freshman to junior season

Extremely intelligent

Ice in his veins; great poise

Mentally tough; plays through pain

Big leader

Confident

Film room rat

Elite intangibles

Good genetics and very well coached

Spent 3.5 years in a West Coast offense

Weaknesses:

Does a poor job of selling play action

Can get lazy with footwork - but has improved this

Not a fluid athlete

Personality might come off as abrasive

Sometimes gets too much air under fade route

Lacks a little pocket awareness

Summary: Jimmy Clausen is a franchise quarterback. He has carried the spotlight since he was a teenager and has surpassed the hype. He has an outstanding skill set with the elite intangibles you see in the great quarterbacks. Clausen isn't fazed by tense situations and has great leadership when the game is on the line. He puts in the hours to be a great quarterback and you see it on tape. Clausen will likely be the first quarterback drafted and is a projected top-five draft pick.

Player Comparison: Kurt Warner. Warner and Clausen both exhibit the same three-quarter release, they get the ball out quickly, and are extremely decisive/intelligent quarterbacks. Clausen has a stronger arm.

Now when Cam's scouting reports comes out you paste it up so we can see what his breakdown is.

[koolkatluke]

the real NFL scouts are the reason he dropped to the 48th pick. He was deemed a mid 2nd round QB by people that matter.....

that ain't the type QB you waste years on seeing if he will develop after a horrible season. You don't spend seasons trying to develop a mid 2nd rounder into something besides the worst starting QB in the NFL. That can become a plan B or C as you always need possible options.

for every former player claiming X, you can find one claiming Y

But even if he was drafted in the 3rd round football people think he can be a NFL QB unlike you.

Like Drew Brees or Kevin Kolb you don't want 2 develop them right?

[CRA]

Why because he was a leader for 1 year at Arburn? Was he a great leader at Florida when he was getting arrested?

When has Clausen displayed that? Wasn't that one of his question marks at Notre Dame? Did he show anything in that regard here?

Why would you make a claim Clausen is more of a natural leader than Cam? Last time I checked being able to command and have a natural presense w/ a team on a field......didn't mean you couldn't make mistakes and have flaws as a person. I don't know squat about Jake off the field....he was a natural leader and was a natural in the role of QB.

this is the Clausen fever.....positives can't be said about anyone b/c Jimmy can do it better

[blak-n-blu]

Per walterfootball

Strengths:

Very good arm strength; can fit balls into tight windows

Extremely quick, snappy release

Great accuracy

Gets rid of ball quickly

Very decisive with the football

Great touch

Good sense of timing

Knows how to read coverage

Sees the entire field; great vision

Big leader

I would like to see more of this from Clausen next season if these are his strengths.

[CRA]

But even if he was drafted in the 3rd round football people think he can be a NFL QB unlike you.

Like Drew Brees or Kevin Kolb you don't want 2 develop them right?

I have ruled him out completely.....he should go to the bench and try to develop. He doesn't show anything right now.......you don't insert a mid 2nd round QB into your starting lineup and keep him there when he is horrible. That is my point. Clausen shouldn't be the QB. He can be a QB.

Kolb has been on the bench developing. He got a shot and went right back to the bench. Developing guys is fine. Starting guys who can't make basic plays isn't.

[blackcatgrowl]

Per walterfootball

Jimmy Clausen Scouting Report

By Matt McGuire

Strengths:

Solid size and adequate bulk

Very good arm strength; can fit balls into tight windows

Extremely quick, snappy release

Great accuracy

Nice hip torque on throws

Gets rid of ball quickly

Very decisive with the football

Takes what defense gives him; doesn't force ball/will throw away

Elite football IQ

Great touch

Well versed in NFL offense

Good sense of timing

Will step up/out of pocket

Knows how to read coverage

Sees the entire field; great vision

Very polished for a true junior

Shown outstanding development from freshman to junior season

Extremely intelligent

Ice in his veins; great poise

Mentally tough; plays through pain

Big leader

Confident

Film room rat

Elite intangibles

Good genetics and very well coached

Spent 3.5 years in a West Coast offense

Weaknesses:

Does a poor job of selling play action

Can get lazy with footwork - but has improved this

Not a fluid athlete

Personality might come off as abrasive

Sometimes gets too much air under fade route

Lacks a little pocket awareness

Summary: Jimmy Clausen is a franchise quarterback. He has carried the spotlight since he was a teenager and has surpassed the hype. He has an outstanding skill set with the elite intangibles you see in the great quarterbacks. Clausen isn't fazed by tense situations and has great leadership when the game is on the line. He puts in the hours to be a great quarterback and you see it on tape. Clausen will likely be the first quarterback drafted and is a projected top-five draft pick.

Player Comparison: Kurt Warner. Warner and Clausen both exhibit the same three-quarter release, they get the ball out quickly, and are extremely decisive/intelligent quarterbacks. Clausen has a stronger arm.

Now when Cam's scouting reports comes out you paste it up so we can see what his breakdown is.

Uhh... this is a SCOUTING REPORT by one person, who, by what I see, is talking Clausen up. It's complete opinion and is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with his accomplishments as a player or his ability to play.

Here's what's more important:

http://www.nfl.com/players/jimmyclausen/careerstats?id=CLA709185

2010: Attempts 299 - Completions 157 - Completion % 52.5 - TD: 3 - Int - 9, number of throws over 20 yards - 16

I could dig up a scouting report for Matt Lienart that makes him look like a Super Star. However, we know he isn't in the NFL.

[CRA]

Per walterfootball

Jimmy Clausen Scouting Report

By Matt McGuire

Strengths:

Solid size and adequate bulk

Very good arm strength; can fit balls into tight windows

Extremely quick, snappy release

Great accuracy

Nice hip torque on throws

Gets rid of ball quickly

Very decisive with the football

Takes what defense gives him; doesn't force ball/will throw away

Elite football IQ

Great touch

Well versed in NFL offense

Good sense of timing

Will step up/out of pocket

Knows how to read coverage

Sees the entire field; great vision

Very polished for a true junior

Shown outstanding development from freshman to junior season

Extremely intelligent

Ice in his veins; great poise

Mentally tough; plays through pain

Big leader

Confident

Film room rat

Elite intangibles

Good genetics and very well coached

Spent 3.5 years in a West Coast offense

Weaknesses:

Does a poor job of selling play action

Can get lazy with footwork - but has improved this

Not a fluid athlete

Personality might come off as abrasive

Sometimes gets too much air under fade route

Lacks a little pocket awareness

Summary: Jimmy Clausen is a franchise quarterback. He has carried the spotlight since he was a teenager and has surpassed the hype. He has an outstanding skill set with the elite intangibles you see in the great quarterbacks. Clausen isn't fazed by tense situations and has great leadership when the game is on the line. He puts in the hours to be a great quarterback and you see it on tape. Clausen will likely be the first quarterback drafted and is a projected top-five draft pick.

Player Comparison: Kurt Warner. Warner and Clausen both exhibit the same three-quarter release, they get the ball out quickly, and are extremely decisive/intelligent quarterbacks. Clausen has a stronger arm.

Now when Cam's scouting reports comes out you paste it up so we can see what his breakdown is.

I would say this guys scouting report must clearly be very different than the actual real NFL scouts. He was drafted 48th.....and this guy claims he should of gone top 5. This guys also lists "strengths" and "characteristics" that proved to be untrue.

[blackcatgrowl]

I would say this guys scouting report must clearly be very different than the actual real NFL scouts. He was drafted 48th.....and this guy claims he should of gone top 5. This guys also lists "strengths" and "characteristic" that proved to be untrue.

Exactly. Any scout can be wrong, and often are. It's guess work. It's ludicrous to use it as an argument to keep a failure as a starter.

[CRA]

Exactly. Any scout can be wrong, and often are. It's guess work. It's ludicrous to use it as an argument to keep a failure as a starter.

especially silly to use it to defend Clause when it clearly didn't match what the paid NFL scouts came away with......

the real scouting reports showed he was a mid 2nd rounder. This guys report also claims stuff that was also a mirror opposite of things we watched this year......