Chris Simms: Jalon Walker is the most overrated player in the draft

[MHS831]

23 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

He is but it’s stupid to point at his 2022 draft rankings to show he sucks. There were 4 guys at those positions (QB, RB, TE and WR) that made a single pro-bowl. None of those guys made more than one pro-bowl. McBride (his 2nd TE), Purdy, Jake Ferguson (had to be a replacement) and Kyren Williams. So, 3 of the 4 skilled position pro-bowlers were day 3 picks, i.e. on no analysts top 5 lists and the one 2nd rounder was his 2nd TE.

His rankings look bad, but that’s because the QBs absolutely sucked that year and the skilled positions weren’t either. Some solid defenders but terrible offensive players.

Yeah, you can cherry pick a person to death. Sims has his reasons, I just do not see his logic at times--but he knows more than I do.  Sometimes you over research the best players and that causes you to focus on the questions--when the new flavors emerging are flaunting strengths.

[MHS831]

9 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Unless he's fibbing, later on Simms said he's heard while "some people love Walker, others don't even have him as a first rounder".

tweener syndrome is my guess. He is a solid player overall, but will he be a solid edge?  solid LB?  I can see how teams might devalue him--I did.  I can say on my mock sites he is on the board in round 2 on one and he goes top 15 on the other.  

the more I think about it--try to filter out the stereotypes and bias--and the more Warren and Membou video I watch, it is hard not to stick with what you know will be closer to a sure thing.   I doubt we go Warren, but a top OT is a long play that might be the smartest thing we could do considering the talent at 8.  I am scared that we love Stewart or Williams---

I know people would storm the castle if we drafted, at 8, a player who does not start year 1.  But I have a feeling we are going edge come hell or high water.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:36 PM by MHS831

[LinvilleGorge]

Yeah, if you run a pure 4-3 system I honestly don't think you'd have him high on your draft board. I definitely think he projects to the NFL as a 3-4 OLB. 

[countryboi]

We have reached the draft fatigue stage. I saw similar pieces on Tet. These analysts always find a few polarizing players and either hype them up or tear them down.

[Tr3ach]

44 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, if you run a pure 4-3 system I honestly don't think you'd have him high on your draft board. I definitely think he projects to the NFL as a 3-4 OLB. 

His true lb tape isn't special at all.  He is considered a top 10 pick entirely named on possible potential when he plays edge.

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

His true lb tape isn't special at all.  He is considered a top 10 pick entirely named on possible potential when he plays edge.

Yeah, he projects as a 3-4 OLB. He isn't Micah Parsons. Parsons was a great off the ball LB who simply projected as more valuable as a pass rusher in the NFL. He doesn't look special when he's dropping back. But man, he sure does when he's coming downhill.

[Khyber53]

My biggest worry about a Jalon pick is that well, he'll be pretty good. 

And right now, we need great. We are a long ways from being fixed around here. 

That's why I say grab Warren if he's still there at 8. We need the biggest, no doubt, hit immediately player available at pick #8 and he is both the most likely and one of the best overall football players in the draft. Grab him and then build onto the defense.

And honestly, I'm not sure any player can fix the defense as long as Evero is still calling it. I don't have any faith in his coaching right now. I hope he can prove me wrong, but I'm not sure he could have made a working defense with Peppers, Kuechly and Gamble back there.

Take the best player, don't draft for need.

[rebelrouser]

10 hours ago, thunderraiden said:

Aside from Drake London all these dudes are JAGs

Especially the qb's. The best qb from that class ended up being Brock Purdy Mr. Irrelevant.  

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

My biggest worry about a Jalon pick is that well, he'll be pretty good. 

And right now, we need great. We are a long ways from being fixed around here. 

That's why I say grab Warren if he's still there at 8. We need the biggest, no doubt, hit immediately player available at pick #8 and he is both the most likely and one of the best overall football players in the draft. Grab him and then build onto the defense.

And honestly, I'm not sure any player can fix the defense as long as Evero is still calling it. I don't have any faith in his coaching right now. I hope he can prove me wrong, but I'm not sure he could have made a working defense with Peppers, Kuechly and Gamble back there.

Take the best player, don't draft for need.

I get what you are saying but for now we need players that have a floor of pretty good with a ceiling to really good instead of picking RAS warriors and hoping they develop into great.  Get someone in here asap that will contribute and elevate the lockerroom.

And my brother we are not drafting warren no matter how many of you are trying to wish it into existence

 

And I agree about evereo not sure where his rep is coming from

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

My biggest worry about a Jalon pick is that well, he'll be pretty good. 

And right now, we need great. We are a long ways from being fixed around here. 

That's why I say grab Warren if he's still there at 8. We need the biggest, no doubt, hit immediately player available at pick #8 and he is both the most likely and one of the best overall football players in the draft. Grab him and then build onto the defense.

And honestly, I'm not sure any player can fix the defense as long as Evero is still calling it. I don't have any faith in his coaching right now. I hope he can prove me wrong, but I'm not sure he could have made a working defense with Peppers, Kuechly and Gamble back there.

Take the best player, don't draft for need.

A big part of our drafting issues is that it seems like we're constantly swinging for the fences. Taking the athletic phenom who is boom or bust and they keep busting left and right. If we plan on continuing that trend, Shemar Stewart is the pick. Jalon Walker would feel like a departure from it. Pretty good is a helluva lot better than bust. If we'd been drafting pretty good all along the way we wouldn't have sucked so horrifically in recent years. Our problem hasn't been settling for pretty good, our problem has been ending up with worthless rock trying to mine for gold.

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A big part of our drafting issues is that it seems like we're constantly swinging for the fences. Taking the athletic phenom who is boom or bust and they keep busting left and right. If we plan on continuing that trend, Shemar Stewart is the pick. Jalon Walker would feel like a departure from it. Pretty good is a helluva lot better than bust. If we'd been drafting pretty good all along the way we wouldn't have sucked so horrifically in recent years. Our problem hasn't been settling for pretty good, our problem has been ending up with worthless rock trying to mine for gold.

Well said

[Khyber53]

54 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

 

And my brother we are not drafting warren no matter how many of you are trying to wish it into existence

 

We shall see in a week.

[Khyber53]

43 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A big part of our drafting issues is that it seems like we're constantly swinging for the fences. Taking the athletic phenom who is boom or bust and they keep busting left and right. If we plan on continuing that trend, Shemar Stewart is the pick. Jalon Walker would feel like a departure from it. Pretty good is a helluva lot better than bust. If we'd been drafting pretty good all along the way we wouldn't have sucked so horrifically in recent years. Our problem hasn't been settling for pretty good, our problem has been ending up with worthless rock trying to mine for gold.

Our problem hasn't been swinging for the fences, it has been in identifying the pitch. We've had some of the worst talent evaluators in the game for the last seven years.

The last hit we really had was CMC and then one of our genius GMs let him go for a bag of beans and a handshake.

And don't get me started on Brian Burns. He was meh with a good sack celebration. A rarely used one. 

 

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, he projects as a 3-4 OLB. He isn't Micah Parsons. Parsons was a great off the ball LB who simply projected as more valuable as a pass rusher in the NFL. He doesn't look special when he's dropping back. But man, he sure does when he's coming downhill.

Sounds like a recent Panthers top 10 pick. Ugh, why’d we have to win another couple meaningless games? I’m tired of the we need a dawg culture/can’t tank mentality when we lost out on Sewell/Chase/getting 3 1sts from SF one year, Herbert the year before and had to give up the farm to get Young.

We have cost us so much marquee talent since the 2020 draft chasing 8 wins and not getting it. I feel like this draft is exactly the same. We were in line to get a bounty or get one of the few marquee guys to end up with a guy who might not fit future schemes when Evero leaves. It’s the Panther way lately. We haven’t been lucking into Cam, Peppers, Luke, Gross top 10 picks.