Chris Simms: Jalon Walker is the most overrated player in the draft

[CPcavedweller]

23 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

That kitten scores a lot of touchdowns sir. Me like those. 

May as well grab Tyler Warren. Bigger, nearly as fast, plays two positions but can line-up at four. They kept saying Bryce is a mini-Mahomes. But what has Mahomes been with Kelci on the decline?

Give me Tyler Warren to see what Bryce can do with a guy he can just play some backyard ball with. No other position gives you that flexibility and Warren is not only the best tight end but one of the best receivers in the draft.

Take Warren. Find a receiver you love later on. I'm not sure where Restrepo is going but Warren and Restrepo as the only two offensive picks would make me very, very happy this year. I'd also like Skattebo to add some physicality to the offense but beggers can't be choosers. 

Give me Warren and Restrepo, go defense later where the draft is deep. Walker is a JAG. 

[csx]

17 minutes ago, csx said:

Linebackers are smaller now.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/the_new_wave_of_nfl_linebackers_are_changing_the_game/s1_17304_40199244

And he's the heaviest off the top linebackers. I think he's 3rd of all the linebackers eligible for the draft.

I understand he is undersized for traditional 3/4 olb but defenses are changing. Linebackers are smaller now

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/big_board

 

 

Edited April 17 by csx

[tukafan21]

46 minutes ago, Shocker said:

LT was 6’3 240…Ray Lewis 6-1 250…I mean saying 6-1 245 is too small is ridiculous IMO

So the best pass rusher in NFL history, who played in an entirely different era (and literally was the player to change the pass rushing game) and a MLB, you're not helping make the case for Walker.

The people who don't want us to draft him is because his size doesn't make sense for a full time edge pass rusher in today's NFL.  And if he's not going to be that, then taking him at 8 just doesn't make sense as he's not a Luke Kuehcly (or Ray Lewis) either.

I don't think those of us (at least not myself) saying he's to small to take, are saying he can't be successful, it's that for what we need, he's not big enough to be.  I don't think he'll ever be a full time edge rusher, and if we move to a 4-3 base he has almost not shot at being a full time DE.

I just don't like the fit for what we need and what we'd be drafting him to hope he becomes.  He'd be much better off falling to a team who runs a 4-3 and want him as an OLB who is used as a situational pass rusher, and in that role he could thrive, but it's not what we need right now.

If we trade down to 12-15 and he's still there, then yea, I'd be much more open to a player like that there along with the added draft capital.  But at 8, it just doesn't make sense to take someone who doesn't fit what you really need right now, which is an edge pass rusher who could also play DE in a 4-3.

Edited April 17 by tukafan21

[Shocker]

40 minutes ago, Basbear said:

 

The league has grown since LT and lewis my friend. I'd almost say its not even the same sport. 

Plus you listed the defense goat and a top 5 MLB in NFL history, that's some comparisons..... 

 

I need to see if Joe Alt played against Georgia....

 

Just the facts are small players are ultra rare success stories, Walker has the odds stacked against him. It that what you want at #8 overall??

Im beginning to hate this draft....

Meh…I knew someone would come with that but great players are great.  Not buying it

[tukafan21]

14 minutes ago, csx said:

And he's the heaviest off the top linebackers. I think he's 3rd of all the linebackers eligible for the draft.

I understand he is undersized for traditional 3/4 olb but defenses are changing. Linebackers are smaller now

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/big_board

 

 

The term "linebacker" is a bit of an undefined position these days.

Because in this instance, you're comparing him in size to players that are what generally are considered 4-3 LB's.

But we're looking at him as an OLB in a 3-4 and as an edge rusher, which is more of a DE than a LB.  And if you look at the "Edge" category in there, he's literally the lightest of any of the 26 players listed on that page.

Edited April 17 by tukafan21

[bandu]

trading back & drafting Golden/WR makes so much more sense for this team right now desperately needing to score more points &  then not only that it also helps therir young Qb who they already know has struggled in tbe past due to the  lack of talent at WR & then finally you acquire more draft capital to plug all the various holes you have on defense 

it's a win win win situation I just don't see Jalon Walker having that same type of impact at #8 ...just saying 

 

Edited April 17 by bandu

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, bandu said:

trading back & drafting Golden/WR makes so much more sense for this team right now desperately needing to score more points on offense at the WR position  &  then not only that it also helps therir young Qb who they already know has struggled in tbe past due to the  ack of talent at WR & then finally you acquire more draft capital to plug all the various holes you have on defense 

it's a win win win situation I just don't see Jalon Walker having that same type of impact at #8 ...just saying 

 

No, if you want a WR, you just stay put and take T-Mac.

I've given up most of my hope that we'll take him, as all the smoke out there is that we're going defense.  But if the team decides to target a WR in the 1st round and he's there at 8 and we trade back to take someone else, we're going to regret it for a LONG time.

Edited April 17 by tukafan21

[LinvilleGorge]

7 hours ago, WhoKnows said:

Sounds like a recent Panthers top 10 pick. Ugh, why’d we have to win another couple meaningless games? I’m tired of the we need a dawg culture/can’t tank mentality when we lost out on Sewell/Chase/getting 3 1sts from SF one year, Herbert the year before and had to give up the farm to get Young.

We have cost us so much marquee talent since the 2020 draft chasing 8 wins and not getting it. I feel like this draft is exactly the same. We were in line to get a bounty or get one of the few marquee guys to end up with a guy who might not fit future schemes when Evero leaves. It’s the Panther way lately. We haven’t been lucking into Cam, Peppers, Luke, Gross top 10 picks.

I always get lectured every year when we inevitably win some meaningless late season games to tank our draft position that we're building culture and you always have to try to win no matter what. This is why that's bullshit. Once you're out of contention it's to your competitive advantage to LOSE. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I always get lectured every year when we inevitably win some meaningless late season games to tank our draft position that we're building culture and you always have to try to win no matter what. This is why that's bullshit. Once you're out of contention it's to your competitive advantage to LOSE. 

My issue is that those who defend winning the meaningless games always come out saying the same thing "do you really expect the team to try and lose" which is the dumbest thing ever.

No, the players and coaches aren't trying to lose, and no, I wouldn't want them to (outside of a situation where final game of the season and a loss guarantees the #1 pick, in that instance as the owner, I'm telling the coach to lose the game and that losing it won't hurt their job status because we want the #1 pick).

As FANS, it's perfectly acceptable to hope your team fights, shows grit and improvement, but still come out on the losing end because it's what will help build a winning franchise long term, getting higher draft picks.  Those of us who do that, we don't enjoy rooting for our team to lose, but we do it knowing that the temporary pain can help bring long term joy, and i more quickly than the alternative.

I've always felt that rooting for your team to lose because you can see the bigger long term picture makes you MORE of a fan than someone who roots for them to win every single game no matter what.  Because you'd rather go through pain if it means being better in the future than have a moment of joy if it hurts your future prospects.

[csx]

9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

The term "linebacker" is a bit of an undefined position these days.

Because in this instance, you're comparing him in size to players that are what generally are considered 4-3 LB's.

But we're looking at him as an OLB in a 3-4 and as an edge rusher, which is more of a DE than a LB.  And if you look at the "Edge" category in there, he's literally the lightest of any of the 26 players listed on that page.

I said tha but the assumption is he's wouldn't secured asa traditional edge but more like Miller who he was compared to 

I'm not pounding thectabkecfie him but definitely he's one of the most impressive when you just watch him play that we have a chance to get.

[Shocker]

35 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I always get lectured every year when we inevitably win some meaningless late season games to tank our draft position that we're building culture and you always have to try to win no matter what. This is why that's bullshit. Once you're out of contention it's to your competitive advantage to LOSE. 

I mean I have to disagree…that Atlanta win was pretty damn important in building expectations for the coming season.  I agree the picks matter a lot but that win was a building block for this team’s outlook 

[bandu]

51 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

No, if you want a WR, you just stay put and take T-Mac.

I've given up most of my hope that we'll take him, as all the smoke out there is that we're going defense.  But if the team decides to target a WR in the 1st round and he's there at 8 and we trade back to take someone else, we're going to regret it for a LONG time.

T-Mac route running is predicable & will be really easy for these best of the best elite NFL corners to  anticipate where he is going on the field 

T-Mac  struggles to get off tbe line & separate no real burst . TMAc is just simply put slow by NFL standards for a WR 

T-Mac for sure yes he has a large catch radius for contested catches & a big frame 

.T-Mac YAC is not a  physical smash mouth in your face type of player more of a finesse guy so what happens after he catches the ball does not play to his strength/size whichi limitis his ability to gain extra yardage

& when T-Mac blocks n the run game he does not use his size to his advantage by aggressively engaging the defenders 

no thanks on T-Mac at #8 its to much of a risk & not a enough reward ...just saying

 

Edited April 17 by bandu

[mrcompletely11]

11 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I mean I have to disagree…that Atlanta win was pretty damn important in building expectations for the coming season.  I agree the picks matter a lot but that win was a building block for this team’s outlook 

I think you just made his point for him.   How did that ugly ass Saints win a couple years back help us?

 

And no matter how important you think that win was vegas still has us at 6.5 wins for 2025.  So much for expectations

[kungfoodude]

15 minutes ago, bandu said:

T-Mac route running is predicable & will be really easy for these best of the best elite NFL corners to  anticipate where he is going on the field 

T-Mac  struggles to get off tbe line & separate no real burst . TMAc is just simply put slow by NFL standards for a WR 

T-Mac for sure yes he has a large catch radius for contested catches & a big frame 

.T-Mac YAC is not a  physical smash mouth in your face type of player more of a finesse guy so what happens after he catches the ball does not play to his strength/size whichi limitis his ability to gain extra yardage

& when T-Mac blocks n the run game he does not use his size to his advantage by aggressively engaging the defenders 

no thanks on T-Mac at #8 its to much of a risk & not a enough reward ...just saying

 

You are aware that he has the same general 40 time as guys like Mike Evans and DeAndre Hopkins, right?

4.5-4.6 is about what you expect for most of those big WR's. People think they are going to be Calvin Johnson or DK Metcalf but there is a reason those guys stand out, they are outliers.