JOE PERSON: the sense around league circles is Panthers will take Jalon Walker @8

[MHS831]

28 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He's an OLB.  Jihad Campbell is an ILB if that helps. Someone listed as an edge rusher is either a 4-3 end or an OLB. Campbell is strictly an ILB that can blitz and cover a TE or RB out of the back field. An OLB can do the same but his main job is to rush the passer and set the edge like a 4-3 DE.

That is where I am confused because they talk about him being a hybrid, off-ball LB and edge rusher.  In a 3-4, and off-ball LB would be one of the ILBs who drops into coverage or reads and reacts--and this could be because their descriptions are written so that they apply to a 4-3 as well as a 3-4.  It seems if he is to be used as a hybrid, he would be a better fit in the 4-3 as a Will or even a Sam, but not the MLB.  So if we are drafting a 6-1, 245 lb pure edge rusher, is Walker the guy? 

[MHS831]

9 hours ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

 

 

Well no poo. What defensive player in the conversation at 8 wouldn’t raise a historically bad defense? Doesn’t mean he’s the right pick. But you’re same guy whose been repeating talking point words like “leadership! Ceiling! TE in the top 10 bad! Look at my chart to prove it! Herp derp. for the past 3 months. You’ve openly supported this undersized player without any real substance of why you’ll think he’ll be good. You even said he could challenge Carter for the first dlinemen picked. Lmao! So please tell me, what is so great about him? It must be pretty easy to explain if you rate him so highly? His run defense sucks. His pass coverage sucks, his pass rush isn’t consistently good at all. He gets washed out of place and mauled by big lineman.  Can he be Haason Reddick? Maybe. Could he also be a Vic Beasley. Definitely. I can tell you have never played an ounce of football in your life based on your posts. If I’m wrong please correct me. You have never actually brought up anything you have seen from his film study that you like. Facts are you don’t know what the fug you’re taking about and tbh I don’t think Dan Morgan knows what the fug he is doing too. He talks like a freaking potato with CTE at press conferences and gets confused with any question that has any sort of real depth to it. We’re screwed. 

Well said.   The internet gives some people a false sense of bravado and the safety shield one needs to attack others without fear of recourse---fake names and anonymity is seen as protection from accountability and ass whoops.  Defend your position with objective facts and respect the fact that others may not agree.  It is not that difficult, but some try to use a discussion board to build their self-image.  It makes me sad,

[Jon Snow]

12 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

That is where I am confused because they talk about him being a hybrid, off-ball LB and edge rusher.  In a 3-4, and off-ball LB would be one of the ILBs who drops into coverage or reads and reacts--and this could be because their descriptions are written so that they apply to a 4-3 as well as a 3-4.  It seems if he is to be used as a hybrid, he would be a better fit in the 4-3 as a Will or even a Sam, but not the MLB.  So if we are drafting a 6-1, 245 lb pure edge rusher, is Walker the guy? 

Off the ball just means standing up or hand in the dirt. He can rush out wide or move inside with his hand in the dirt in a 3-4.

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Off the ball just means standing up or hand in the dirt. He can rush out wide or move inside with his hand in the dirt in a 3-4.

gotcha.  I was envisioning off ball as a LB who covers RBs and TEs or reads and reacts in situations where he is not rushing the passer as his primary responsibility.

Edited Thursday at 03:32 PM by MHS831

[MHS831]

Watching Jihaad Campbell on NFL Network---love that guy--smart, humble, charismatic--I see why interviews are such a big part of it.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, MHS831 said:

gotcha.  I was envisioning off ball as a LB who covers RBs and TEs or reads and reacts.

They have to be able to read and react in either position. It depends on down and distance, assignment yada yada. 

I will say that I'm shocked in the reactions from Panthers fans to an undersized linebacker given where the Keep Pounding chant came from.

It's not the size of the dog in the fit. It's the size of the fight in the dog.

[MHS831]

13 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

They have to be able to read and react in either position. It depends on down and distance, assignment yada yada. 

I will say that I'm shocked in the reactions from Panthers fans to an undersized linebacker given where the Keep Pounding chant came from.

It's not the size of the dog in the fit. It's the size of the fight in the dog.

There are very few players in this draft that don't have a concern that could cause someone to not like them---I think the longer a player hangs around the top 10 (beginning in February) the more their flaws could withstand the scrutiny. Some fall too far, in my opinion, and are thrown into the scratch and dent bin.  Jack Sawyer (Ohio State) comes to mind, Shavon Revel (East Carolina), Restrepo (Miami).  I wonder if it is not that we found things through research, it could be that we exploited trivial things.  You can't measure the "it" factor.

Those three just mentioned--I would have no problem drafting them at a discount.  Restrepo ran a 4.8--not as big a deal as people think--he is going to be a chain-moving slot--he will be sliding underneath, finding a hole in the zone, etc.  Great hands, great attitude.  I take him in the fourth.  Jack Sawyer is the high motor over-achiever.  I think he can be a 8-10 sack guy, block a lot of passes, and hold the edge.  I take him in round 3 if they let him fall that far.  Revel could be one of the top 3 CBs--if he is there at 58, I take him.  When the flaw is what you see when you hear their names, you are blind to their other talents.

Edited Thursday at 03:47 PM by MHS831

[Jon Snow]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

There are very few players in this draft that don't have a concern that could cause someone to not like them---I think the longer a player hangs around the top 10 (beginning in February) the more their flaws could withstand the scrutiny.  Jack Sawyer (Ohio State) comes to mind, Shavon Revel (East Carolina), Restrepo (Miami).  I wonder if it is not that we found things through research, it could be that we exploited trivial things.  You can't measure the "it" factor.

Those three just mentioned--I would have no problem drafting them at a discount.  Restrepo ran a 4.8--not as big a deal as people think--he is going to be a chain-moving slot--he will be sliding underneath, finding a hole in the zone, etc.  Great hands, great attitude.  I take him in the fourth.  Jack Sawyer is the high motor over-achiever.  I think he can be a 10 sack guy, block a lot of passes, and hold the edge.  I take him in round 3 if they let him fall that far.  Revel could be one of the top 3 CBs--if he is there at 58, I take him.  When the flaw is what you see when you hear their names, you are blind to their other talents.

Those guys you mentioned are ILB at the next level. They will be really good too. We could use any of them and like you I hope we can get one of them later on in the draft.

The teams need on defense is great than the amount of picks they have. If they are sticking with the 3-4 base they will need another ILB and a OLB that can play DE in 4-3 packages.

The front 7 is far from complete and the secondary will not get every need addressed this offseason. The talent is just not going to be available when we are picking I'm afraid. 

Edited Thursday at 03:55 PM by Jon Snow

[Hoenheim]

11 hours ago, KaseKlosed said:

I would rather trade back. I have a second round grade on him. Pick up Mike Green then grab Carson in 2nd round. 

Basically my thoughts.  Dont over think it and get the best pass rusher not named Abdul Carter. I doubt theyll do that though.

99% of the time the Panthers pick players i dont want. I think the only time in recent memory they picked a guy I particularly wanted was JaTavion Sanders, DJ Moore, and CMC. That's it in the last decade or so.  

[rodeo]

12 hours ago, KaseKlosed said:

I would rather trade back. I have a second round grade on him. Pick up Mike Green then grab Carson in 2nd round. 

Mike Green is a better pass rusher but he's this year's designated "character problems" guy who will go to the Eagles or Chiefs and be a superstar with no character problems ever again

[Bear Hands]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Let's do math:

If the Giants take Sanders (still some are saying they will--I do not think they will) at 3 it could get interesting.

1 Ward Tennessee

2. Hunter Cleveland (A need at WR#2 with Jeudy and an upgrade at CB#2 to replace Emerson)  I also think they will watch Sanders and move up from 33 if he drops, but not in this scenario)

3. Sanders  NY Giants (This is the hypothetical that could change the way folks are thinking.  I do not think they do this, frankly, because they just signed 2 qbs.  In addition, they have 2 edge players--but both will be paid second contracts in 2026, so the smart thing to do is draft Carter and trade Thibideaux.  However, they just took a third or fourth look at Sanders so it could happen)

4.  Carter New England  (Everyone has Campbell going to the Pats because they need a LT to protect their young QB.  Aging Harold Landry is their top edge and they were bad in that area in 2024.  Take the elite edge over the short-armed OT--this is where it gets wonky)

5. Jeanty  Jacksonville  (Most mocks have Graham here, but there are whispers that the Jags like this dominant RB and will take him.  All hell just broke loose if this happens)

(This is going well for the Panthers so far if they draft at 8. )

6.  Walker, Vegas.  (The Raiders have a need at RB they can address later, Edge, and WR--and I think they can address WR later.  If Jeanty is gone, they could take Hampton or think Edge and take Walker to play across from Crosby.  A few are saying that if Jax takes Jeanty, the Raiders are likely to take Walker, creating a situation where you have Crosby and the Micah Parson's project.)

7.  Campbell, NY Jets.  (Tyron Smith just retired.  With a new QB coming in, many had weapon TE Warren hear, but nope--LT and one could argue RT are priorities--If Campbell is gone, Membou--either way, they are taking an OT).

8.  Graham, IDL, Panthers.  Imagine a DL with Brown, Graham, Wharton, Brown III, and Robinson.  Imagine going live at Panther practices with the OL vs the DL.  Id pay just to see that.

 

 

That scenario could shake out even without Sanders happening. If a team jumps LVR (or the Jags stay) to take Jeanty, it completely shakes it up; mainly bc there’s smoke about LV liking Jalon. 

So…

1-Ward

2-Hunter

3-Carter

4-Campbell

5-Jeanty

6-Walker

7-Membou vs Warren vs Graham - can see that war room being very conflicted. 2 massive needs at OL and TE could override BPA. 

8-We end up with Graham.

Maybe the reported UGA love has always been a baited tactic for getting Graham to drop haha.

Do love the idea of him coming in. Would help offset the money we spent on the PSR from Kansas City/Wharton.  
 

[MHS831]

Just now, Bear Hands said:

That scenario could shake out even without Sanders happening. If a team jumps LVR (or the Jags stay) to take Jeanty, it completely shakes it up; mainly bc there’s smoke about LV liking Jalon. 

So…

1-Ward

2-Hunter

3-Carter

4-Campbell

5-Jeanty

6-Walker

7-Membou vs Warren vs Graham - can see that war room being very conflicted. 2 massive needs at OL and TE could override BPA. 

8-We end up with Graham.

Maybe the reported UGA love has always been a baited tactic for getting Graham to drop haha.

Do love the idea of him coming in. Would help offset the money we spent on the PSR from Kansas City/Wharton.  
 

Jeanty is the key, not Sanders, it seems. I realized that while I was doing my maff.

Since T. Smith (Jets LT) retired and their RT is Morgan Moses, I see the Jets drafting OT---90%.  If the Pats draft OT, and that is likely if Carter and Hunter are gone, then Jeanty going to Jaxonville would mean only Vegas needs to pass on him. 

I will be hoping for Jeanty to go to JAX for this reason....I think some podcaster said Jeanty odds to Jax (Betting lines) are improving.  Here are the odds the last time I checked.

1. Titans: Miami quarterback Cam Ward is an overwhelming -20,000 favorite.
2. Browns: Colorado cornerback/wide receiver Travis Hunter is a -350 favorite.
3. Giants: Penn State defensive end Abdul Carter is a -300 favorite.
4. Patriots LSU offensive tackle Will Campbell is a -225 favorite.
5. Jaguars: Michigan defensive tackle Mason Graham is a -130 favorite.
6. Raiders: Boise State running back Ashton Jeanty is a -125 favorite.
7. Jets: Missouri offensive tackle Armand Membou is a -115 favorite.
8. Panthers: Georgia linebacker Jalon Walker is the most likely pick at +150.
9. Saints: Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders is the most likely pick at +200.

[TheSpecialJuan]

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[*FreeFua*]

It’s amazing how year after the year the Panthers announce to the world extremely early on during the draft process who they’re taking. 
 

This organization is awful at keeping literally anything a secret