Rivera On WFNZ

[Happy Panther]

I don't really think he cares what the previous staff accomplished with this squad.

What he's thinking about is what he can do with his adapted version of it.

probably around 2-14 unless we add some players

[Mr. Scot]

After listening to Rivera talk about how the offensive staff had all played or coached in the system that the Panthers plan to employ, I decided to look it up.

The specifics are in the "Coaching Connections" thread, but to sum it up, every offensive coach on staff so far - except one - has worked directly with either Norv Turner or Ernie Zampese. The only one who didn't? Fred Graves, but he worked under Turner pupil Rob Chudzinski for a year.

[CosmoGirl]

I don't really think he cares what the previous staff accomplished with this squad.

What he's thinking about is what he can do with his adapted version of it.

At least Rivera seems to try to fit his scheme to the talent we have rather than Fox trying to fit the talent to his scheme.

[CosmoGirl]

After listening to Rivera talk about how the offensive staff had all played or coached in the system that the Panthers plan to employ, I decided to look it up.

The specifics are in the "Coaching Connections" thread, but to sum it up, every offensive coach on staff so far - except one - has worked directly with either Norv Turner or Ernie Zampese. The only one who didn't? Fred Graves, but he worked under Turner pupil Rob Chudzinski for a year.

Translate, please?

[Mr. Scot]

Translate, please?

Details here: http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2948165&postcount=13

I hope so.

Matt Moore connections that we know of...

Moore's college head coach, Mike Riley, was head coach of the Chargers in 2001. Norv Turner was his OC that year. OC Rob Chudzinski is a pupil of Turner and Head Coach Ron Rivera was LB Coach/DC under Turner over the past four years.

Turner's son Scott, whom Rivera has now hired to be the Panthers Offensive QC, served as an offensive graduate assistant at Oregon State under Riley in 2005. His job was to help with the weekly offensive preparation. The quarterback he worked with that season? Moore.

The OC and QB Coach for Moore in all his Oregon State years - and still OC there - was a fellow named Danny Langsdorf. Langsdorf's father Ed has been a scout with the Chargers for several years, including both of Norv Turner's stints there.

Outside of the connections via Turner, Oregon State Offensive Line Coach Mike Cavanaugh worked as a QC for the Chargers while Marty Hurney was working in the front office.

Moore's quarterback coach with the Panthers last season, Rip Scherer, was also a quarterback coach in Cleveland for a year when Chudzinski was the Browns OC.

Another, though more indirect connection, Chargers defensive line coach Don Johnson, a four year colleague of head coach Ron Rivera, was coaching at USC when Moore was there.

Does all this mean that Moore will be back next season? Not necessarily, but given that both Rivera and GM Marty Hurney have specifically mentioned Moore in recent interviews, it's clear he's at least in the discussion.

[pantherclaw]

I see a lot of people politely dissing king. He only catches practically everything. He just isn't the yac TE that so many of us (including myself) want.

He can still be a great redzone target, and chain mover. We'll still need depth. He may not be the starter for us anymore in the new system, ut that doesn't mean he can't help put points on the board in their efforts to spread the ball around.

[mav1234]

I think many people have said King would make a great backup TE behind the "do it all" that Rivera wants. King can do it all, just not at the level of what Rivera seems to want.

[vorbis]

I just listened to this interview again. (btw, it's incredibly annoying that pages on the wfnz site refresh every six minutes. i had to find my place all over again 4 times while listening again. what a weird page to have refresh automatically. anyway)

Rivera really has his act together. to listen to him talk about the hypothetical situation of the lockout/work stoppage, he is already thinking on his feet and working towards consistent success. maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but wow. Fox would have given a stock answer that felt like a stock answer and would have given you no impression that the work stoppage was going to affect his offseason whatsoever. Rivera is switched on and (to my eyes, at least) ready to do whatever it takes to be successful and meet his goals.

[jarhead]

I don't really think he cares what the previous staff accomplished with this squad.

What he's thinking about is what he can do with his adapted version of it.

Yea I think he is saying Fox could have done mutch better with our existing talent and I agree.Fox and Davison did one of the worst jobs I have ever seen on offense.

[jarhead]

there's a good chance he won't see the field. though I honestly don't think it's because "he doesn't fit Chud's offense", I just think he is going to struggle to win a competition with a veteran.

I agree and at this point I am sure they are just trying to protect the credibility of Hurney for drafting him.I think he will gradually be led out to pasture.

I doubt that Fox and Hurney were even speaking last year during the draft.What ever it was they want to sweep it under the rug and move forward. Clausen does not fit the offensive scheme that they have laid out

[CRA]

and you know, when's the last time Clausen had a legitimate competition with anybody who was equal to him in talent and potential? The Matt Moore thing kinda doesn't count because at each step of the way where a depth chart decision was made, it was kind of made by default. 1) Moore starts because he showed promise in '09 and Clausen is a brand spanking new draftee, 2) Moore is hurt and nobody else on the roster has started a game, 3) Moore starts when he comes back because the organization thinks his poor performances were not a sign of utter incompetence, and Clausen is still a brand spanking new draftee. 4) Moore is so bad that it is time to try just about anything else just to see, also coaching staff is panicking and wants to jumpstart the offense, and 5) Moore is hurt again and dumped onto IR.

Maybe he reacts amazingly to actual honest-to-god competition with another QB on a level playing field, and maybe he doesn't know wtf to do in that scenario and panics/sucks. Maybe both he and Moore are worse than Vet X. Maybe Moore shows up big time and never looks back. It's one part of Clausen's potential that is still totally unknown, IMO.

every person/writer/reporter that attented camp said Moore was simply the best QB and that it wasn't even close to being a discussion. I don't think it is fair to say Jimmy didn't have a shot.....Jimmy just wasn't good enough.

[JungleCat]

Rivera will get things fixed on the team. Fox was just riding out his contract and it showed big time.

[Actionman0z]

Kellen Clemmens from the Jets would be the perfect option as a vet to bring in.

[TheRealDeal]

Also what he did say about evaluating QB's it led me to believe that IF (and TRD I know it is a big if) we draft a QB Cam and Mallett just likely moved to the top of the list.

I don't think he was talking about production vs projection I think he was talking about game tape vs 40 time, bench press, passing tree drills with no defenders.