Rivera On WFNZ

[MHS831]

king has good hands, but he just falls down after the catch. there is no YAC. imo, that really limits him.

Exactly, and Rivera wants TEs who can split out and run seams. Someone who creates matchup problems. Should make blitzing tougher.

[Mr. Scot]

I know what your point is and I agree, but didn't the fact that he is talking about possibly drafting a QB--he mentioned a senior QB, which suggests later in the draft--make you feel like apoligizing to ole MHS? :eek:

I'd acknowledge the possibility of drafting a quarterback, but to be honest, nothing I heard in this particular interview nudged me much in that direction. Rivera spent more time talking about the guys that were already here than anything else.

[mav1234]

watch some Browns football where he made Anderson a Pro Bowler....Chud believes in being aggressive and attacking (just like Rivera has talked about). It is about how you target the guys. I mean, there is a reason Anderson was the guy (who isn't great) and not Quinn. Quinn is a short throw/checkdown QB.

Attacking and aggressive doesn't need to be 40 yard chunks at a time. Chud's offense in 2007 featured two great receivers and he made full use of them, while also having schemes to protect Derek Anderson from pressure. Clausen is still unproven and while I don't like him that much I think it's unfair right now to say "he doesn't fit" Chud's offense. A good TE could really help him along... as it does with ANY QB

Also I think you are confused about what happened with the Browns while Chud was OC and why Anderson was the QB. Quinn held out, didn't make it to training camp on time and was WAY behind to start the season. Frye was the starter in week 1 but was traded the next week when he was awful and Anderson came in and started lightning it up for the rest of the season. Quinn was not ready for camp and never had the chance to compete, so the statement that he didn't fit Chud's game plan and that is why he was on the bench is not entirely accurate.

Anderson went to the Pro Bowl in 2007 so of course he was the 2008 starter. When Anderson couldn't get it done in 2008, Quinn did come in and had a nice game in his first start. His injury a game later KO'd him though he tried to play another game after that. Chud left that season, so we don't really know what he would have done with Quinn, but yeah.

[Mr. Scot]

Attacking and aggressive doesn't need to be 40 yard chunks at a time. Chud's offense in 2007 featured two great receivers and he made full use of them, while also having schemes to protect Derek Anderson from pressure. Clausen is still unproven and while I don't like him that much I think it's unfair right now to say "he doesn't fit" Chud's offense. A good TE could really help him along... as it does with ANY QB

Also I think you are confused about what happened with the Browns while Chud was OC and why Anderson was the QB. Quinn held out, didn't make it to training camp on time and was WAY behind to start the season. Frye was the starter in week 1 but was traded the next week when he was awful and Anderson came in and started lightning it up for the rest of the season. Quinn was not ready for camp and never had the chance to compete, so the statement that he didn't fit Chud's game plan and that is why he was on the bench is not entirely accurate.

Anderson went to the Pro Bowl in 2007 so of course he was the 2008 starter. When Anderson couldn't get it done in 2008, Quinn did come in and had a nice game in his first start. His injury a game later KO'd him though he tried to play another game after that. Chud left that season, so we don't really know what he would have done with Quinn, but yeah.

To aggressive and attacking, throw in adjusting and that's a Triple A offense I'll be happy with.

[CRA]

Attacking and aggressive doesn't need to be 40 yard chunks at a time. Chud's offense in 2007 featured two great receivers and he made full use of them, while also having schemes to protect Derek Anderson from pressure. Clausen is still unproven and while I don't like him that much I think it's unfair right now to say "he doesn't fit" Chud's offense. A good TE could really help him along... as it does with ANY QB

Also I think you are confused about what happened with the Browns while Chud was OC and why Anderson was the QB. Quinn held out, didn't make it to training camp on time and was WAY behind to start the season. Frye was the starter in week 1 but was traded the next week when he was awful and Anderson came in and started lightning it up for the rest of the season. Quinn was not ready for camp and never had the chance to compete, so the statement that he didn't fit Chud's game plan and that is why he was on the bench is not entirely accurate.

Anderson went to the Pro Bowl in 2007 so of course he was the 2008 starter. When Anderson couldn't get it done in 2008, Quinn did come in and had a nice game in his first start. His injury a game later KO'd him though he tried to play another game after that. Chud left that season, so we don't really know what he would have done with Quinn, but yeah.

attacking downfield doesn't mean 40 yard bombs every series (it didn't in Fox's)......his Cleveland team did however attack downfield when successful. Beyond 10 yards downfield. They were very successful and that was a big part of what the team had success. Chud's offense imo didn't feature anyone great. Edwards was a complete joke his entire career in Cleveland outside that one season. Winslow was pretty good. Anderson was however willing to stay in the pocket and make consistant plays downfield in 07.

as of right now, when I say Clausen doesn't fit......his biggest weakness was staying in the pocket and making the throws downfield. Right now he simply doesn't fit what Chud does.......at least when Chud's offense works. 10 yards and beyond downfield imo is simply too important in Chud's offense.

[Happy Panther]

Biggest challenge moving forward/how to evaluate offensive and defensive talent:

He's watched all games from last year. Young defensive talent, good good. Likes oline group. Points out just a few years ago 2 1,000 rushers. Likes all 3 running backs. Receivers are solid. Play maker in Smitty, Gettis and Lafell solid.

TE by committee, Barnidge is most athletic.

QBs- Is Matt Moore or Clausen going to be QB? We'll evaluate them and draft prospects to find out.

Good quality football players on D. Likes Beason, likes Hardy, CJ. Thinks Thomas Davis can come back and help. Likes both young safeties.

3 solid corners. Marshall and Gamble solid. Munnerlyn good nickle.

Best thing is that young guys got a lot of experience last year.

Does Rivera know we just went 2-14?

[Mr. Scot]

Does Rivera know we just went 2-14?

I don't really think he cares what the previous staff accomplished with this squad.

What he's thinking about is what he can do with his adapted version of it.

[vorbis]

I think if Clausen has a good grasp on the blitzes next season, he will be a lot more comfortable and aggressive in the pocket. recognizing blitzes is inseparable from knowing your protection scheme cold. Chudzinski is approximately 9587234 times the communicator that Davidson was, and Fox wasn't exactly filling in Davidson's gaps either.

The O-Line may take time adjusting to the guidance of Matsko and Chud next season, but it appears to me there will be a renewed emphasis on consistency and dependability, both in the performance of the O-Line and the QB's expectations of that performance.

I think bare minimum next season, just between 1) what appears to me to be far better communication between the offensive staff and, uh, anybody/everybody, and 2) Clausen's natural comfort level increasing some tangible amount, we'll see Clausen suck a bit less. That's assuming he sees the field at all, of course.

[mav1234]

there's a good chance he won't see the field. though I honestly don't think it's because "he doesn't fit Chud's offense", I just think he is going to struggle to win a competition with a veteran.

[vorbis]

there's a good chance he won't see the field. though I honestly don't think it's because "he doesn't fit Chud's offense", I just think he is going to struggle to win a competition with a veteran.

and you know, when's the last time Clausen had a legitimate competition with anybody who was equal to him in talent and potential? The Matt Moore thing kinda doesn't count because at each step of the way where a depth chart decision was made, it was kind of made by default.

1) Moore starts because he showed promise in '09 and Clausen is a brand spanking new draftee, 2) Moore is hurt and nobody else on the roster has started a game, 3) Moore starts when he comes back because the organization thinks his poor performances were not a sign of utter incompetence, and Clausen is still a brand spanking new draftee. 4) Moore is so bad that it is time to try just about anything else just to see, also coaching staff is panicking and wants to jumpstart the offense, and 5) Moore is hurt again and dumped onto IR.

Maybe he reacts amazingly to actual honest-to-god competition with another QB on a level playing field, and maybe he doesn't know wtf to do in that scenario and panics/sucks. Maybe both he and Moore are worse than Vet X. Maybe Moore shows up big time and never looks back. It's one part of Clausen's potential that is still totally unknown, IMO.

[rayzor]

I know what your point is and I agree, but didn't the fact that he is talking about possibly drafting a QB--he mentioned a senior QB, which suggests later in the draft--make you feel like apoligizing to ole MHS? :eek:

meh....this is what i was agreeing with...

It's about what they have done on field. Have to be careful when looks at combine numbers, etc. Would rather watch how perform at senior bowl, etc. But have to remember they are learning new system in a week, so bad performances can basically be thrown out. Stresses looking at what they did on the field in college.

importance of game tape over combine results. i said there are some QBs (namely yo gabba) that could do nothing to help my perception of him because game tape says it all about him.

i never said that they won't take a QB in the draft. why would i apologize for being correct?

[teeray]

he didn't say a senior he talked about evaluating prospects and use the senior bowl as an example. At least that is how I took it.

Also what he did say about evaluating QB's it led me to believe that IF (and TRD I know it is a big if) we draft a QB Cam and Mallett just likely moved to the top of the list.

If they put a lot more weight on production rather than projection.

I am not saying they will draft either of those two but they will give them long looks which makes me happy because I am not as impressed with Yo Gabba Gabba and Locker.

[CosmoGirl]

In recent interviews, I've seen both Marty Hurney and Ron Rivera mention Matt Moore.

May not mean anything, but I do think they're at least considering the notion of taking him to camp and letting him compete for a roster spot.

I hope so.

[CosmoGirl]

Oh Lord, no :nonod:

Garcia's lost a step, and was only ever good in West Coast Offense systems anyway. We won't be running that type of attack.

But that's the system that I see Jimmy being best in. And I'm not a WCO fan.