Someone please tell me how to pick a franchise QB?

[teeray]

And further out of the 14 WR's taken in the first round there are only two that have played in a pro bowl. And out of the 17 Rb's taken there have been only 4 pro bowlers taken.

So you see (again) it is actually riskier to draft a DT, WR, or RB in the first round than a QB. It just doesn't get the same scrutiny.

[teeray]

I accept your apologies

[teeray]

As a matter of fact in the last 10 years 43.5% of all QB's taken in the first round have made the pro bowl.

Interesting stuff!!

[teeray]

How many QBs out of the first round have Carolina taken and made it to the Pro Bowl...do you have the numbers???

0. Collins was our only first round pick.

[thefuzz]

Are you Bill Parcells?? He has the same formula. The problem is that so few meet that criteria you would never get to draft a QB.

The closest person to meeting that criteria in this years draft is TJ Yates. He doesn't quite reach the 2/1 TD to INT ratio for his entire career (58TD 46 INT) I don't think anyone is even close to that criteria.

Also, Andrew Luck would not have met that criteria if he came out so we would have to pass on him as well. He was only a two year starter.

I am not saying that you don't draft QB's if they don't fit the formula, but I am saying that if they do fit, they almost always work out in the NFL.

You draft Luck if he is there, as he is mature and smart enough to forgive the 3 year starter bit. There just aren't many can't miss QB's that come out, but if they fit within my system they are pretty damn close.

[Carl Spackler]

0. Collins was our only first round pick.

1. Made it in 1996.

OP, I hope your name isn't Marty Hurney.

[teeray]

LOL. Really?? I didn't realize he made it that year. I remember him having a decent year but didn't realize he made the pro bowl. I stand corrected.

[teeray]

I am not saying that you don't draft QB's if they don't fit the formula, but I am saying that if they do fit, they almost always work out in the NFL.

You draft Luck if he is there, as he is mature and smart enough to forgive the 3 year starter bit. There just aren't many can't miss QB's that come out, but if they fit within my system they are pretty damn close.

I understand. The reason I asked if you were Bill Parcells was because he has a similar formula. I was just giving you a hard time.

[Jon Snow]

As a matter of fact in the last 10 years 43.5% of all QB's taken in the first round have made the pro bowl.

Interesting stuff!!

That's interesting but how many of them are "franchise QB's"? Remember, Jake made the Pro Bowl. Does that make him a franchise QB? I would have to say no.

[TheRealDeal]

Guess who has size, strength, leadership ability, and athleticism out the ying yang?

But can that man play QB at the NFL level. This isn't basketball, you need finely tuned skills here, there is no room for Shannon Browns.

As a matter of fact in the last 10 years 43.5% of all QB's taken in the first round have made the pro bowl.

Interesting stuff!!

Using the Pro Bowl as a measuring stick for success is asinine at best. It's a popularity contest among homer fans and has no real meaning. Pro Bowls is probably just as accurate as using passer rating.

Also, VY has to be considered a bust so far.

Try using playoff wins, division titles, etc to measure success and it'll probably paint a different picture.

[teeray]

But can that man play QB at the NFL level. This isn't basketball, you need finely tuned skills here, there is no room for Shannon Browns.

Using the Pro Bowl as a measuring stick for success is asinine at best. It's a popularity contest among homer fans and has no real meaning. Pro Bowls is probably just as accurate as using passer rating.

Also, VY has to be considered a bust so far.

Try using playoff wins, division titles, etc to measure success and it'll probably paint a different picture.

I don't know if I would consider Vince Young a bust just a headcase. But he is right on the brink so I may give you that one. He had some success with the Titans and wasn't a complete washout the way Leinart, Quinn, and Russell were which is why I didn't put him in the complete bust category. But your point is well taken.

Out of the 4 I said were Pro Bowlers the last 5 years 3 have won their division and two likely will at some point (Freeman and Bradford) so actually it doesn't paint a different picture IMO. Still safer than every other position. And Sanchez likely would have if he played in a division that wasn't co-inhabited by the Patriots

In the fairness of full disclosure the Ravens tied Pitt this year but Pitt won the tie breaker so I included that as a division title for the ravens and Flacco

5 have made the playoffs

[Carolinator]

It seems like the so called experts get it right about 50% of the time.You have to think that someone in this draft will be a franchise qb.Who will it be and why?How does a guy like Matt Cassel never start an NFL game and get drafted by the patriots?Even his on college coach could not access his talent.

Pick a franchise QB. That's how it's done

[David Duke Is a Bad Person]

Picking a QB is not an exact science.

There is nothing much more teams can do to improve their chances.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't know if I would consider Vince Young a bust just a headcase. But he is right on the brink so I may give you that one. He had some success with the Titans and wasn't a complete washout the way Leinart, Quinn, and Russell were which is why I didn't put him in the complete bust category. But your point is well taken.

Out of the 4 I said were Pro Bowlers the last 5 years 3 have won their division and two likely will at some point (Freeman and Bradford) so actually it doesn't paint a different picture IMO. Still safer than every other position. And Sanchez likely would have if he played in a division that wasn't co-inhabited by the Patriots

In the fairness of full disclosure the Ravens tied Pitt this year but Pitt won the tie breaker so I included that as a division title for the ravens and Flacco

5 have made the playoffs

To be clear I'm not taking a side on the points discussed about bust rate (hehe I know) I just don't like using pro bowls as a measure of success. Also you have to consider things like Cutler being moved from team that drafted him to a new team and had a terrible season before this. He can't be called a bust but it's also too early to call him a success.

Were they deserved pro bowlers or altenates because the real good players turned it down or were playing in the SB, just curious.