Terry Bradshaw just said something interesting

[monstercat]

You better write a memo to the nfl about how game tape is a useless teaching tool since it isn't live.

Good Lord, that makes no sense at all. Nobody is talking about studying game tape, and none of you have studied game tape on Bradshaw anyway. The young people here have seen a few highlight clips of the guy, or maybe a replay of an old game, and that's it. If you didn't watch football in the 70's though, then you have no idea about how much different the game was compared to now, or how Bradshaw stacked up against his peers at the time.

He was as good or better than any other QB in the game when he was in his prime. That's a fact. I saw them all, and stats don't tell the story.

[Floppin]

Good Lord, that makes no sense at all. Nobody is talking about studying game tape, and none of you have studied game tape on Bradshaw anyway. The young people here have seen a few highlight clips of the guy, or maybe a replay of an old game, and that's it. If you didn't watch football in the 70's though, then you have no idea about how much different the game was compared to now, or how Bradshaw stacked up against his peers at the time.

He was as good or better than any other QB in the game when he was in his prime. That's a fact. I saw them all, and stats don't tell the story.

It was your argument that didn't make any sense at all, not my counter point. Also assuming what any "young people" have seen or not is stupid, maybe they have never seen him outside of the Sunday pregames, or maybe their dad was a huge fan and they've been forced to watch every game he ever played on tape. Point is you never know.

[Mr. Scot]

Stopped reading after the title.

"Terry Bradshaw just said something interesting" - Believable.

"Terry Bradshaw just said something intelligent" - Now that one that would have made me say "huh" :sosp:

I like Terry. He's as entertaining as any sportscaster on TV. But objectively speaking, he's dumb as a brick.

[Jangler]

Guess I will display my age for a few.

[Sheldon Wolowizard]

Stats don't mean much. It was a different game when Bradshaw played. The game has been made easier for offenses. It's a whole lot easier for WR to be open now than it was then. Qbs could actually get hit and it wouldn't be a penalty. You could touch a wide receiver after 5 yards. It was a different game. Put Brady, Warner, Rivers, Manning in a game and have them play with the rules that they did when Bradshaw played, I guarantee you wouldn't see a 5000 yard season with 50 TDs. It just wouldn't happen.

[Strawman]

I did watch Bradshaw play, lets get that out there right now. I feel he was an average, game manager QB, Fox wouldve loved to have had him. He did have great Rbs, and Wrs, that made him look better than he was. One thing that no one has pointed out though, while the hitting was vicious, the defensive players were also smaller than they are today. Not taking away anything from what he did, but he was on one of the greatest teams of all time.

PS. Heres a site that breaks down the average size of players at each position from 1970 till today. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=493

example: Qbs are 15 lbs heavier today while Dts are 50 lbs heavier, not to mention much faster.

[monstercat]

I just don't get this. Bradshaw was voted in to the HOF by people who know more about this than all of us put together, and some of you think he was average? You think winning 4 Super Bowls is average?

I"m guess that some of you were Cowboy fans and you're still butt hurt because he broke your hearts.

As far as the intelligence issue...the man is lucky he can walk and talk after all the helmet to helmet hits he took. Most of the time he's making fun of himself with his humor anyway, so people should lighten the hell up and realize that it's just entertainment.

[Davidson Deac II]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTe00.htm

He was average.

51.9% career completions

212 TDs

210 Ints.

never threw more than 28 TDs in a season.

Average.

It's amazing what a great team and 4 Superbowls will do for revisionist history.

Actually, for that time, those are above average numbers. Look at some of the other numbers for top QB's from that era.

Ken Stabler

194 td's, 222 int's, 59%.

Roger Staubach

153 td's, 109 int's, 57%

Fran Tarkenton

342 TD's, 266 int's, 57%

Joe Namath

173 TD's, 220 int's, 50%

Bob Griese

192 td's 172, it's, 56%

These guys, along with Bradshaw, were the top QB's of the 70's and Bradshaw's numbers compare pretty well. Especially considering Pittsburgh's style of offense was a pounding running game and throw it deep which lead to a lower completion precentage.

Fwiw, I don't think you can compare QB number prior to the rule change that stopped defenders from hitting receivers 5 yards past the line of scrimage. After that change, completion percentage went up, int's went down. Marino played under the newer rules, Bradshaw spent most of his career watching his receivers get pounded all over the field.

[monstercat]

Well I"m glad somebody gets it.

BTW, congrats to the Demon Deacons for that first ACC win.

[B.BERSIN]

I never care about what he achieved and what the crap he said.

[scarface]

That's your opinion. As far as I'm concerned, that guy was a stone cold warrior on the football field. I would love to have a young Terry Bradshaw on the Panthers roster right now. He was 5 times the man that Clausen is right now, I promise you that.

In your own words. That is your opinion.

[B.BERSIN]

guys in those old time were overrated

[Lumps]

Bradshaw is dumb as a rock and extremely over rated. Super bowls are won by teams, Delhomme almost won one, that should say something. Check out his stats, he was good for a year or two in his prime but that's it. He got all those rings being in one of the most prestigious teams/organizations in football. He was Average-Good, not great. But even he knows that, saying he'd go in the fourth round, even I'd give him at least a third.

[frash.exe]

Jake overall was better than Terry as a QB

put him in 1970 and he's probably got HOF status instead of Panther HOF status

Put John Fox in the 70s and he would've won like 90% of the games he coached

the advent of the WC offense, Marino and Montana setting the standard in the 80s, more talented passers being desired in the college ranks and eventually ending up playing pro, and countless rule changes favoring the WRs and QBs have transformed the league. In 1975 two passers had over a 90 QB rating (and also, Jimmy Clausen's rated a better passer in 2010 than Joe Namath was that year lol). This year you have to go down to 14 to find a QB that didn't reach a 90 rating. Getting a franchise QB has never been more important than today and as we go forward it will just get more and more important