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In This Thread I Talk Rationally About Drafting A QB #1 Overall.

SmootsDaddy89

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The issue is talent not age. Ryan, Flacco, Bradford, Freeman etc have all come in and played well as very young QB's.

I'd add in Stafford and Sanchez also. Stafford just has the bad luck of being made of glass and Sanchez had a few promising moments in the playoffs.

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MadHatter Rookie

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Why wouldnt I want us to get better? We suck at QB. Why would I want people thinking the football team I root for are pussified inbred idiots who are scared of success and change? Do you think I like getting laughed at when I tell people who my NFL team is? Im going to give our FO the benefit of the doubt, they'll do the right thing, the smart thing. Regardless of people saying they have no clue what they are doing and saying they are in over their heads, I still have faith in our boys to get this thing right.

Hatter if we draft Newt, will you continue to pull for the Panthers?

I agree with you that we suck at QB. Where we differ is our evaluation of Newton.

I (my opinion) think that his lack of ability to read defenses, read his progressions in the passing game, play from under center, etc... makes his a BIG risk and bust candidate in the NFL. He is nowhere near ready to start in the NFL.

Will he be a bust? Who knows. He may be the next HOF QB for all that we know.

I just believe with the needs of this team, we are better served to rent a vet QB for a season or two and address those needs....DT, DB, etc...

Has nothing to do with his race, just that I am not sold on him being a can't miss QB.

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These rent-a-QB's will just prolong the agony. If Jimmy can't be a decent starter in his 2nd season, then he probably won't be ready in year 3 either. And no scrub veteran or QB coach is going to tutor him to greatness if he doesn't already have it in him to do it.

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No QB in the first, Dalton & McElroy are my two favorites from the rest of the crop that could do something. Honestly, they have all the tools to do well and just need good coaching. They're also not these spread offense types that are clogging the top of the board. I'd be fine with snatching one of them up if we get a couple of Day 1 starters with our first 2 picks.

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No QB in the first, Dalton & McElroy are my two favorites from the rest of the crop that could do something. Honestly, they have all the tools to do well and just need good coaching. They're also not these spread offense types that are clogging the top of the board. I'd be fine with snatching one of them up if we get a couple of Day 1 starters with our first 2 picks.

I have heard that McElroy doesn't like football and at least two times during their championship run wanted to quit the team for no apparent reason.

No thanks.

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These rent-a-QB's will just prolong the agony. If Jimmy can't be a decent starter in his 2nd season, then he probably won't be ready in year 3 either. And no scrub veteran or QB coach is going to tutor him to greatness if he doesn't already have it in him to do it.

So will taking a QB just to take a QB.

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So will taking a QB just to take a QB.

God you're an annoying bastard. Nobody is saying to draft a QB just for the hell of it.

Look, I don't care if it's Andrew Luck, Blaine Gabbert, or Cam Newton, you're taking a chance by drafting a QB in the first round regardless of who it is, and every one of them is a project to some extent. All I'm saying is let's stop being so damned scared to take a freakin chance. You can't get anywhere in life or in football if you're scared of going for it once in a while.

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God you're an annoying bastard. Nobody is saying to draft a QB just for the hell of it.

Look, I don't care if it's Andrew Luck, Blaine Gabbert, or Cam Newton, you're taking a chance by drafting a QB in the first round regardless of who it is, and every one of them is a project to some extent. All I'm saying is let's stop being so damned scared to take a freakin chance. You can't get anywhere in life or in football if you're scared of going for it once in a while.

i'm not too scared to take gabbert. i'm of the opinon that it would be a flat out embarrassing mistake.
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Will a CBA exist or not on draft day?

Without answering that question, the value of any first round draft pick is unknown. The likelihood of trading down...also unknown. The CBA affects every aspect of this draft.

Does it include a rookie salary cap? If yes, then QB's are a better value than ever before.

If no, then all of the QBs on the board are overpriced for the first pick overall.

If the CBA was in place on draft day, then what free agents did we sign prior to the draft? If FA QB signed, then obviously there's no chance we draft one. If FA DT is signed, then which draftee would be a guaranteed starter for us?

Did Matt Moore leave during FA prior to the draft? If yes, then we will clearly add another QB somewhere. If no, then what?

Way too many unknowns to even guess at this point. All possibilities are on the table, and none should seem more likely than another....with one caviat, which one of the other posters mentioned.

We do not tend to draft for the position of greatest need. We usually fill this position with a free agent. By eliminating the distraction of the greatest need, we have been able to focus more on value than on need. It is one of two great methods in the draft.

The second highly successful method, which we have not employed unfortunately, is stockpiling 2nd round draft picks. The second round is where the best value for the money is. No banks are broken paying them, and yet the likelihood that they perform well in the NFL is high. No team has used this approach in the draft better in recent years than the Patriots, which is nothing short of a dynasty. BTW, I hate these bastards.

Anyway, the first overall pick is capable of helping us replace out second round pick. If we cannot select a player with the first pick who we believe is an instant lock to be a starter, then we need to trade the pick away.

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Two quick rebuttals.

Raging Bull you question the drafting of the J Stew. Really? You characterize Jon as just a guy that gets rushing yards and plays half the snaps.

yea

Dude reality check. As bad as our QB situation is there are more teams that wish they had ONE of our backs.

dude reality check, nobody cares about or envies our immensely talented running game besides like 4 teams. Everybody's more afraid of someone that can burn their secondary for 300 yards

1000 yrds rushing is not easy in the NFL.

not nearly as hard as 3500 yards passing

Has Flacco won the Ravens anything yet?

quick name some other teams that have won at least 4 playoff games the last 3 years. It's probably less than 5

Lastly, there is no such thing as a rational conclusion when you are talking about drafting a QB this year with our first.

1. Gabbert is FAT and inaccurate.

2. Cam is a college golden boy ala The Golden Calf of Bristol, Leinart, and Vince Young. College success at QB does not guarantee NFL success.

3. Colin Kaepernick would make a cool project. BUT he is a 2-3 year project.

4. Locker is showed signs of cracking under the pressure of being merely considered the best QB in the class.

5. Mallett is dumb and has a long funky release.

There's your rational reasons why QB is a no go all you instant gratification goobers.

do you watch any college football or are you compiling negative analysis from secondhand sources

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