Is there a chance we draft a QB after the first round?

[SPANKY]

If we could land a decent vet QB like kolb or Palmer, drafting Kaepernick and giving him and the other young QB's a chance to learn the rope's. Jimmy did'nt have that luxury either.

[Mr. Scot]

If we could land a decent vet QB like kolb or Palmer, drafting Kaepernick and giving him and the other young QB's a chance to learn the rope's. Jimmy did'nt have that luxury either.

They thought he did (Moore was supposed to be the starter until Clausen was ready).

Last year was just a disaster.

[Captain Obvious]

Can you just imagine the Fox play by play guys messing up Kaepernick. (Caperneck)

Might be worth it for that.

[SPANKY]

Moore did'nt get a fair shake IMO, got pulled in the 2nd game. It seem's Fox could'nt wait to throw Jimmy in the fire, Moore probably would have settled down if Fox would have given him time. Fox was not the same after Jake was released, that's another sad story for another day.

[CarolinaKat]

Pray to every God known that this team doesn't pick up Volek with Clausen and Pike as the back ups.

[MHS831]

hmmmm

this post makes me want to draft stanzi and then take the best QB with the 2nd overall pick a few years later

There is no logic here. Why is it so important for you to attack things you don't understand with random nonsense? You make a point, I show you how it is wrong, you make a totally unrelated, idiotic comment, and feel you have established yourself. I cannot help you. You say you have an argument. No you really don't. Sorry. I don't know how to respond to adolescent sarcasm without taking pity on you. Until then, I will ignore you like I do the people at the mall trying to sell finger nail buffers.

[MHS831]

Pray to every God known that this team doesn't pick up Volek with Clausen and Pike as the back ups.

I agree. That seems to be the plan, and I say we need more competition, If we cannot trade down, leave QB alone in the first because no QB is ready. Some on here don't read the posts they attack. If there is a QB with all the tools except polish and you take a veteran, take him so you never have this mess again. Some folks responded as if this mess was my plan. No-- that is stupid.

Others fail to look at the players who will be available in free agency at QB vs. the teams with needs. THis causes a bidding war where you overpay for below average players. If there is nothing in the draft ready, and you can only get a veteran with age or inconsistency issues, then the option is drafting a player in the third so that in 2 years, you have a seasoned QB with all the tools to succeed. Until we are secure, we better not count on CLausen, Pike, and a veteran next season. Some of you think there is a Marino tree out back and we can just go pluck us a good QB. You bitch about Clausen because he sucked. He was playing before he was ready, had an idiot for an OC, and faced defenses that pinned their ears back and blitzed vs. a scrub offensive line and RBs that missed blocks. He needs time, Pike needs time, but a third project is insurance. He too needs time.

Here is the truth--Since Hurney and Fox didn't draft a decent QB during the FOX years, we are in a mess. Same with WR before last season. In 9 years we did not draft a decent QB or WR. Gee, what could be wrong with the offense?

[MHS831]

why would we waste time on a QB with NO FUTURE? there are much younger prospects out there who can actually compete for the job who have as much or more talent and with a lot more long term potential than some old career backup.

if we go volek or some other old guy we are only spending our wheels. take a risk on a couple younger FA vets that are available and see if they have any potential. let them compete with clausen for the job. if none of them pan out and we suck again next year, then try to draft someone.

so many people say that grooming a QB and letting him sit for a couple years is the best way, but that isn't true anymore. get them in the game and let them learn when it matters. screw getting a old vet and get some decent coaches who have a clue.

if they do insist on getting an old vet, at least let it be someone who has had serious experience as a starter and not some guy who started a few games years ago and had to whine his way out of a situation when his team actually wanted him to compete for the job.

There are no QBs ready to play and you will horribly overpay for mediocrity if you go free agent. I think some QBs benefit by playing right away, but it all depends on the support system you have around the QB. We had NOTHING around Clausen. Rivera hired coaches who can teach young players--that is the focus. Richardson sees the majority of his team on first contracts under the new deal. It is smart. If you don't play rookies and count on veterans, your payroll is higher. JR will pay the corps, but he is looking to develop players. Shula, Chud are teachers. Interesting approach. No longer will we have role players on second contracts.

Volek was an example, and we are indeed spinning our wheels with him. However, he is buying time for Clausen, Pike, and a rookie to work on mechanics, reads, and the offense. Not an ideal situation, but a necessary one at this point. It is not my master plan, but a reaction to the mess we are in.

[frash.exe]

You make a point, I show you how it is wrong,

Lol so this is how you win arguments, I get it, lets just shut down supported claims with the biggest exceptions we can possibly find. I guess all failures can be ignored if WE JUST ACCEPT A PROPOSITION BASED ON THIS ONE CASE WHERE IT WORKED OUT

Much could change, but a QB in the third, in addition to a veteran like Volek, is the only way I feel secure about the position. If Clausen is a bust, and Pike could not beat him out, what exactly do we have at the position? Sure, Clausen needs time, but that does not always equate to success.

This draft isn't even strong in QBs to begin with and you think taking one with possibly our second pick is gonna make you more comfortable, yea ok. And oh lol just lol at Billy Volek. Come up with a better reason than just "well he's played some games and and he's been a vet yadda yadda yadda". <---offer something new about Volek because no one is buying the established vet argument.

Imagine this: Draft a tall, strong-armed QB in the third round who could develop and legitimately compete with Clausen-for the backup QB job.

Yes lets draft another tony pike caliber QB but with a stronger arm. I mean you could just go for the most talented QB with the strongest arm in this class (Mallett)

Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada is my first choice. Pat Devlin is my next pick. Heck, Mallett could drop to the 65th pick.

lol a guy that people have projected would move WR at the pro level. Pat Devlin does not have a strong arm. Mallett probably won't make it past mid-second

Then sign a Billy Volek to play QB for a year or two.

this is what's going to get us back to the playoffs

If Pike doesn't beat out Clausen, send him to the PS. Then you have Volek, Clausen, and a rookie like Kaepernik (6'6" tall, Strong arm, 4.45 speed; has some mechanical problems and needs to learn the pro set).

I love how people systematically break down the QB situation like "This is what we need to do to fix it, here's this QB from the big west that i just looked up on quintus pfuffnick's scoutingthedraft.com". Where's your proof? What research have you done? All people seem to want to do on this board is just state their opinion with barely any evidence to support it and slip through the cracks unchallenged. You haven't offered any real analysis on Kaepernick, nothing that I can't find on some crap nfl scouting site

Develop the talent while Volek drives the ship.

....into getting Andrew Luck first overall in 2012. there's a reason Volek's been in this league for like forever and still hasn't ever started a game without the actual starter going down to injury.

You could add Matt Moore and forget the draft pick, but I am looking upside. This pick is not for 2011 but for 2013, when Volek retires.

and if it fails which is like a 90% probability then you just spent 2 years training a QB that probably doesn't have the skill set to make it in the NFL, just like the overwhelming majority of QBs drafted after the first.

I just don't like the projects we have. Pike should have beat out Clausen the way he played.

This is based solely on the fact that Clausen struggled his first year

Compelling, but are you assuming that Rivera likes the QB situation as depth? He thinks they are the future? As soon as you sign a 35 year old starter, you better start grooming his replacement-

If he makes a professional evaluation as a professional coach and says they have potential and should stay what will you say then?

I don't think he likes Clausen, at all.

...and you're basing this off of what?

Time on the pine is the best way to bring along a QB, so we need to draft Volek's replacement NOW.

...Acting like a Volek signing is just waiting to happen

Basically we've already flirted with later round QBs last year. We've already tried this solution already with picking middle of the road prospects. They're almost always guys with multiple problems with their game that can't be fixed. I highly doubt that's it's worth it with this class but we either roll the dice at 1 with one of the top QBs if they show the scouts something really substantial or don't even look at the draft for QBs. They could do that, and i actually wouldn't throw my hat at the floor if they pick one of those top guys providing that they see something in him

[rayzor]

Volek was an example, and we are indeed spinning our wheels with him. However, he is buying time for Clausen, Pike, and a rookie to work on mechanics, reads, and the offense. Not an ideal situation, but a necessary one at this point. It is not my master plan, but a reaction to the mess we are in.

again, here's the fail with that plan. how long is it going to be before we realize that neither clausen nor pike are capable of becoming a franchise QB? 2-3 years? we let them sit for 2 years and then let them start for 2 years to give them time to see if they can adjust and then we start the whole thing over again? wow, what a receipe for staying at the bottom.

sorry, but no franchise should ever take that route.

this is the DUMBEST plan and team could make. sorry, but it is just a horrible plan.

since there are no franchise QBs in this draft, take a flyer on a young guy or two who has already sat on the sidelines for a couple years and see if they have learned enough. let them battle it out with clausen for the job.

i am not content with this team spinning it's wheels for a couple years to see if some turd has learned enough by sitting on the sidelines to play the game. i know, i know, clausen might possibly be that guy, but there is no guarantee that he will and we need to act as if we already know he isn't in thinking ahead. until we have FOR SURE found that guy, we haven't and we don't need to pretend that or act like we have.

[JawnyBlaze]

I'd love to have a Tony Pike with a strong arm. Better than average chance at turning into a good QB.

Yes lets draft another tony pike caliber QB but with a stronger arm. I mean you could just go for the most talented QB with the strongest arm in this class (Mallett)

[rayzor]

I'm not the world's biggest fan of it myself.

But truthfully, there just isn't anybody I see being a franchise QB available via draft, free agency, or reasonable trade.

Somebody might throw Carson Palmer's name in, but I wouldn't want him as anything but a stopgap either.

It really is just a lousy year to need a quarterback

yeah, it's a crap shoot with heavy emphasis on the crap side of things, but going out and getting an old QB with no future and expecting them to play isn't going to help matters at all.

it's going to be a scrub player one way or the other. why would you want to waste time with an old one? get a younger one and see if by some miracle they can pull it off. i have a really hard time believing that clausen will be much of any better than a lot of the younger FA options out there.

[MHS831]

again, here's the fail with that plan. how long is it going to be before we realize that neither clausen nor pike are capable of becoming a franchise QB? 2-3 years? we let them sit for 2 years and then let them start for 2 years to give them time to see if they can adjust and then we start the whole thing over again? wow, what a receipe for staying at the bottom.

sorry, but no franchise should ever take that route.

this is the DUMBEST plan and team could make. sorry, but it is just a horrible plan.

since there are no franchise QBs in this draft, take a flyer on a young guy or two who has already sat on the sidelines for a couple years and see if they have learned enough. let them battle it out with clausen for the job.

i am not content with this team spinning it's wheels for a couple years to see if some turd has learned enough by sitting on the sidelines to play the game. i know, i know, clausen might possibly be that guy, but there is no guarantee that he will and we need to act as if we already know he isn't in thinking ahead. until we have FOR SURE found that guy, we haven't and we don't need to pretend that or act like we have.

The dumbness to which you refer is the reason scouting and coaching are important. Do you think the better plan is waiting for a Luck to come out fo the draft? Or sign a backup off another roster to a multi-million dollar deal? The only way to avoid being in this mess is to start drafting and developing QBs. Why is that dumb to you?

Your criticism adds the caveat that we know the QBs we are developing will fail in 2-3 years. Yeah, when you put it that way, it is stupid. You call them turds. Here is an idea: DON'T DRAFT TURDS! But I didn't say they would fail. There are no starting QBs in the draft and you don't like free agency. Do you have a REALISTIC plan?

I propose drafting a player now with all the intelligence and tools to succeed in the NFL. Since so many college offenses use the spread, the conversion often takes time. That is why fewer pure QBs are coming out today. They ran a spread offense where they could get away with poor mechanics. Today, you have to fix these problems--which are fixable--before throwing the kid into the fire. Not rocket science. If your scouts are good and your coaches better, you should be able to find gems in the draft. This to you is dumb?

[mick eye]

I would say there is no chance. Absolutely none. We have two project QB's on the roster right now. If we were gonna go QB it would be with the first. But they are projects too. And any picks we use on QB's again are gonna be ignoring one of our other myriad of needs. Sell Alex Smith on the prospect of a new start on the East Coast and let Pickles ride the pine. Make signing one of the better TE FA's a priority and draft BPA. If we land Marcedes Lewis and Alex Smith all the worries about offense and QB will disappear.