Cam Newton Public Workout

[TheRealDeal]

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1039410.html

That is not an analyst.

the foot work argument is bs.for instance he dropped back in the national championship game. felt pressure to the left of him, and shaked the free defender off of him.stepped up in the pocket and made a nice catchable ball on the sideline for a td.since you want to break down plays trd break that one down.and he kept the safeties in the middle of the field.

6th Drive:

-Play action dump off pass due to pressure

-Swing pass

-Lazy/No drop, Makes 1 guy miss, Hits wide open receiver down sideline for TD.

Go to the 4:08 mark.

Cam starts the play in the shotgun and receives the snap at the 35 yd line. At the deepest part of his drop, he gets to the 38. That is 3 yards on his "Drop" before he begins to step up. His eyes never leave his primary receiver and the receiver becomes open and he hits him for the TD.

I wouldn't use that play as an example of a great ability to drop back but it did show how he avoids pressure and can hit a wide open receiver.

[blackcatgrowl]

Really? Because you act like anyone who doesn't agree with you that Newton is the greatest QB ever to come out of college must be somehow racist.

Please show me where I've accused any specific person of being racist.

I mean, it couldn't possibly be that maybe people who are actually evaluating his football skills might see it differently than you do, right? Well then, since there's no logical possibility that anyone could disagree with your analysis for football reasons, I guess they must all be racist, huh? :frown2:

I think people are easily influenced by crowd mentalities and peer pressure.

If you get enough people saying something, it gets accepted as the truth. I see a lot of FEAR when Cam is brought up. Most of which is unfounded based on my objective observations of Newton's play.

Here's an idea. Try and latch on to the concept that maybe everybody doesn't see him the same way you do. We have disagreements across this forum on quarterbacks like Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, Blaine Gabbert and other players like Nick Fairley, A J Green, Da'Quan Bowers and others. And not a single shred of it has jack to do with race.

But somewhere back there, KT got into your head or maybe you started thinking with your ego rather than your brain. So yuo got stuck on the notion that people who don't want Newton must be racist, even if there's no actual evidence of it being true.

Again, show me one post, where I said to someone here "You're a racist for not liking Cam".

All I've said is that I've SEEN racism on this board towards him, on a couple occasions, and if I were in KT's shoes, I would be defensive too.

All the racist accusations that get thrown around in this forum are beyond stupid. Reality is that people can disagree about the merits of drafting a particular quarterback without it having a single thing to do with the color of his skin. Until you can get that in your head, you're the one that's thinking like a racist.

I say all that to you in the hopes that it'll make you think for a minute. I wouldn't bother saying that to KT because he's too steeped in his own silliness to get it. I have some hope that maybe you can get beyond this and start debating without having to resort to racial issues that have no bearing on the truth.

Hope I'm not disappointed.

Not only are you completely wrong about what I think about what is said about Cam, but I think you're completely wrong on him as an athlete and a potential fix for our broken ass team.

Nothing against you personally Mr. Scot, as I've said before, you're usually on the money.... but this time, I think you're stepped in football dogma, and are following the trend of the herd. That doesn't make you a racist, but it does leave you open to influence by racist people.

[blackcatgrowl]

That is not an analyst.

Go to the 4:08 mark.

Cam starts the play in the shotgun and receives the snap at the 35 yd line. At the deepest part of his drop, he gets to the 38. That is 3 yards on his "Drop" before he begins to step up. His eyes never leave his primary receiver and the receiver becomes open and he hits him for the TD.

I wouldn't use that play as an example of a great ability to drop back but it did show how he avoids pressure and can hit a wide open receiver.

Dude, one fuging play is not a diagnosis of the kid's footwork.

As I said before, you want to be objective, you go breakdown all his games this past year.

[blackcatgrowl]

I'm convinced that half of these people never watched Cam play until the NC game, which was nowhere near his best game of the season. Even some of the experts seem to be giving that game more weight than the body of work for some reason.

This x1000

[TheRealDeal]

I'm convinced that half of these people never watched Cam play until the NC game, which was nowhere near his best game of the season. Even some of the experts seem to be giving that game more weight than the body of work for some reason.

That game should be weighted heavier because it was his toughest test of the season. Oregon, while not a very strong defense, has speed all over the field which is similar to what he will see at the NFL level. His running in that game wasn't anything special before the injury and he hit two wide open receivers for touchdowns. He also missed a lot of open receivers and got into trouble with his footwork.

It was largely unimpressive all around.

[monstercat]

what is with people who think "footwork" means ability to tuck and run? blah.

Go watch some of his film. He had good footwork in the passing game when they just let the guy throw. It's not about tucking and running at all.

[TheRealDeal]

Dude, one fuging play is not a diagnosis of the kid's footwork.

As I said before, you want to be objective, you go breakdown all his games this past year.

Someone asked me to break down that one play so I did. I included a video to further my analysis. I will not break down the whole season for you because you are not worth it and you have yet to dispute my original post. Stop asking for it until you do a play by play rebuttal of the original one, then I will gladly do the season or any game you want.

[monstercat]

That game should be weighted heavier because it was his toughest test of the season. Oregon, while not a very strong defense, has speed all over the field which is similar to what he will see at the NFL level. His running in that game wasn't anything special before the injury and he hit two wide open receivers for touchdowns. He also missed a lot of open receivers and got into trouble with his footwork.

It was largely unimpressive all around.

Oregon also had a month to study Cam and find a way to slow him down, plus he hurt his back in that game... how often is that going to happen in the NFL?

Also, it's not Cam's fault that he wasn't required to make the same kind of reads that he will in the NFL. The only way to fix that is hard work, and there is absolutley no evidence that Cam is not willing to put that work in.

[TheRealDeal]

Go watch some of his film. He had good footwork in the passing game when they just let the guy throw. It's not about tucking and running at all.

Honestly his footwork is bad. They (the Newton camp) know it is bad and that is why they are emphasizing it at his upcoming workout.

[mav1234]

Also, it's not Cam's fault that he wasn't required to make the same kind of reads that he will in the NFL. The only way to fix that is hard work, and there is absolutley no evidence that Cam is not willing to put that work in.

I dunno. Evidence of his reads that we have is him mostly locking onto one receiver or making one, MAYBE two reads before bolting out of the pocket and running for it. This is how his offense works, sure, but as the only evidence we have about his ability to make reads it has me worried. Also, it's not just a matter of hard work; if anyone was able to make NFL-level reads with just hard work there would be many more successful NFL quarterbacks than there are.

[monstercat]

Honestly his footwork is bad. They (the Newton camp) know it is bad and that is why they are emphasizing it at his upcoming workout.

It's not perfect, but it's not nearly as bad you you keep claiming. Like I said, go watch some games other than the NC game.

And BTW, I guarantee you that Blaine Gabbert will be emphasizing footwork in his workouts too. Any QB that doesn't is a damn fool.

[TheRealDeal]

Oregon also had a month to study Cam and find a way to slow him down, plus he hurt his back in that game... how often is that going to happen in the NFL?

Considering that hit came from a safety and the amount at which Cam runs, I would say with bigger faster safeties in the NFL he will probably be injured often.

Also, it's not Cam's fault that he wasn't required to make the same kind of reads that he will in the NFL. The only way to fix that is hard work, and there is absolutley no evidence that Cam is not willing to put that work in.

There is some evidence that he likes to take the easy way out though.

[Pox 08]

If he can show some improvement between now and draft day, I wouldn't be upset if we drafted him. Not the most thrilled, but not upset either.

[King Taharqa]

And once again the voice of reason Scot is in a black qb thread telling us how extreme it is to believe in ones ability. Scot is all for personal attacks and character assasinating black qbs and their families. Hell never protest that. Only protest against racist bigoted whites being called racist

That offends him more. But this is the same guy who wants us to watch what say about panther employees because they are human and have families. Lol. If only he extended that courtesy to black children