Cam Newton Public Workout

[TheRealDeal]

No. Can we assume SOME of them are?

Yes.

To answer a "question" posed in some rep I just got...

I do not believe people are racist if they don't like Cam Newton.

However, I believe honest people who are not racists COULD be influenced by people who ARE racist and alter their analysis of the kid and his potential based on race.

If a white NFL scout is racist he is in the wrong business and won't last long considering the demographics of what he is scouting.

Just saying.

[TheRealDeal]

Would be cool if you did go, tbh. I'd like to hear what you saw.

I'm going, just not going to post my write up. I'll PM you the details

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

in all honesty I wouldnt take any of the qbs in the draft with our first pick.

Most of the people who don't want Cam probably feel the same way. What a concept.

[blackcatgrowl]

In all honesty I haven't seen one analyst say Cam Newton is going to be the #1 pick in the 2011 NFL draft.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1039410.html

CFN Analysis

No one wants to believe me, but Newton has the potential to be the No. 1 overall pick.

[DaCityKats]

the foot work argument is bs.for instance he dropped back in the national championship game. felt pressure to the left of him, and shaked the free defender off of him.stepped up in the pocket and made a nice catchable ball on the sideline for a td.since you want to break down plays trd break that one down.and he kept the safeties in the middle of the field.

like i said it's obvious people dont want this guy to be good because of 1 reason.(and when you get defensive and say not you, you are telling on yourself.)

[Urrymonster]

Some really extreme points of view here.

First thing. The media is not hating Cam Newton, in fact I struggle to find places (other than fan created blogs) that have him outside the top 2 QB's. What is interesting is that Mallett's character and Locker's accuracy is falling under much heavier scrutiny than Newton's.

Second. He really is a one read player. If his first read isn't there and there isn't an obviously open receiver he will run it. Every time. Now if that was down to the coaching or him as a player is immaterial, because no one knows if he really can go through his progressions in a real game.

Third. His footwork isn't great in the pocket, pretty dang good outside the pocket.

Fourth. Big Ben was always a prototypical QB in college who could extend plays. Newton is a running quarterback.

Fifth. I am yet to see him make a pin point pass into coverage. At all.

Watch a highlight video, or a game video and you see much of the same thing. It's run after run after run. Then when the team finally commit to stopping him, he occasionally passes it and rapes them because they have no one in coverage.

Regardless of his footwork, his inexperience with going through progressions and never having to have fit the ball into tight spacs, he is still in the top 2 QB's. Potential is huge, risk factor is massive. Not because he is black, not because he is a running QB, not because of his character. He is a risk because the majority of things that NFL teams ask QB's to do, he has never had to.

[monstercat]

Hey guys Cam Newton is possibly the best quarterback in a relatively weak class. We need a quarterback, so let's reach for him. When has this ever hurt anyone?

I see what you're saying, but I have also seen a lot of teams invest a #1 pick on a QB who was proclaimed to be fundamentally sound and NFL ready by the majority, if not all of the scouts, and the guy still ended up being a major bust. That has happened over and over in my lifetime. It's a crapshoot with QB's any way you slice it, and the experts are wrong about some of these guys every year whether they overrated a guy or underrated a guy.

Case in point...how many of those 21 teams would have passed on Aaron Rodgers if they knew then what they know now? Would it really have been a reach to draft him #1 overall?

[Swarly]

is there a source that says it costs $5 to attend? I don't see it on ESPN. If it's already been posted sorry.

if it's legit than what a joke lol.

[blackcatgrowl]

I see what you're saying, but I have also seen a lot of teams invest a #1 pick on a QB who was proclaimed to be fundamentally sound and NFL ready by the majority, if not all of the scouts, and the guy still ended up being a major bust. That has happened over and over in my lifetime. It's a crapshoot with QB's any way you slice it, and the experts are wrong about some of these guys every year whether they overrated a guy or underrated a guy.

Case in point...how many of those 21 teams would have passed on Aaron Rodgers if they new then what they know now?

Actually, it's a crap shoot for any position... even place kickers bust.

[Mr. Scot]

No. Can we assume SOME of them are?

Yes.

To answer a "question" posed in some rep I just got...

I do not believe people are racist if they don't like Cam Newton.

However, I believe honest people who are not racists COULD be influenced by people who ARE racist and alter their analysis of the kid and his potential based on race.

Really? Because you act like anyone who doesn't agree with you that Newton is the greatest QB ever to come out of college must be somehow racist.

I mean, it couldn't possibly be that maybe people who are actually evaluating his football skills might see it differently than you do, right? Well then, since there's no logical possibility that anyone could disagree with your analysis for football reasons, I guess they must all be racist, huh? :frown2:

Here's an idea. Try and latch on to the concept that maybe everybody doesn't see him the same way you do. We have disagreements across this forum on quarterbacks like Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, Blaine Gabbert and other players like Nick Fairley, A J Green, Da'Quan Bowers and others. And not a single shred of it has jack to do with race.

But somewhere back there, KT got into your head or maybe you started thinking with your ego rather than your brain. So you got stuck on the notion that people who don't want Newton must be racist, even if there's no actual evidence of it being true.

All the racist accusations that get thrown around in this forum are beyond stupid. Reality is that people can disagree about the merits of drafting a particular quarterback without it having a single thing to do with the color of his skin. Until you can get that in your head, you're the one that's thinking like a racist :nonod:

I say all that to you in the hopes that it'll make you think for a minute. I wouldn't bother saying that to KT because he's too steeped in his own silliness to get it. I have some hope that maybe you can get beyond this and start debating without having to resort to racial issues that have no bearing on the truth.

Hope I'm not disappointed.

[blackcatgrowl]

the foot work argument is bs.for instance he dropped back in the national championship game. felt pressure to the left of him, and shaked the free defender off of him.stepped up in the pocket and made a nice catchable ball on the sideline for a td.since you want to break down plays trd break that one down.and he kept the safeties in the middle of the field.

It IS total BS. Go watch the SEC Championship game. There are several plays where he makes a three step drop, plants, and throws neatly, looking like a pro. And he shredded SC's defense doing so.

[monstercat]

It IS total BS. Go watch the SEC Championship game. There are several plays where he makes a three step drop, plants, and throws neatly, looking like a pro. And he shredded SC's defense doing so.

I'm convinced that half of these people never watched Cam play until the NC game, which was nowhere near his best game of the season. Even some of the experts seem to be giving that game more weight than the body of work for some reason.

[Urrymonster]

It IS total BS. Go watch the SEC Championship game. There are several plays where he makes a three step drop, plants, and throws neatly, looking like a pro. And he shredded SC's defense doing so.

And there are countless examples of where his footwork gets him into trouble, or rather than using footwork to shift away from pressure the ball is tucked and he tries to run.

I think some people get a bit confused by the term footwork, because he is an incredible runner and can move exceptionally. However he is not light on his feet in the pocket and can't shift away from pressure with a quick sideways movement. Most of the time I see him turning (often the 'back way' completely turning his back on the play) and using his strength to shrug off the first man, rather than a subtle change of direction. A 3 step drop and a step into the pocket, whilst involving footwork, isn't the best indicator of it.

[mav1234]

what is with people who think "footwork" means ability to tuck and run? blah.