Cam Newton Public Workout

[TheRealDeal]

And there it is...

What you see as "issues" I see as some over-hyped BS to down the guy for whatever reason.

After 4 days, when an outside contractor who coaches pro QBs comes in and says he's "blown away" by footwork of the kid, there's obviously something inconsistent between what he sees and what you, and others "see".

He didn't say he was blown away by his footwork. He said he was blown away with the results, the improvement. Meaning that his footwork was an issue but in the limited time, the results blew him away.

"He has really made some giant strides in getting this routine from under center down."

That mostly has to deal with taking a snap and footwork. Someone who doesn't have an issue with something doesn't need to take giant strides. Cam took giant strides with his footwork. If you can't see that it was an issue before then I'm sorry, you are being very stubborn.

[teeray]

We didn't see getting a QB of the future as a need. We didn't see getting a project QB as a need. We saw getting a very advanced, polished player that could contribute right away at the QB position as a need.

No one fits that need anymore. Time to move on to another need.

Actually Rivera spoke at length at his press conference about the need to find a franchise QB, so we are looking to the future.

Also Hurney didn't describe the QB as a need... he described it as a PRIORITY. This means that it will be fixed and likely through the draft because Mr. Richardson also has talked about his dislike of re-treads.

[blackcatgrowl]

The gap between Luck and everyone else was pretty big.

I said well before Luck's announcement, and prior to the Bowl games, that if Luck didn't come out I didn't want anyone else. And I still say that.

It's not just Newton. I don't want any QB in any round. Youth we've got at that spot. It doesn't need to get even younger.

We've already got two young projects/prospects. We don't need another. Sign a couple of veteran options, take four to camp and the best three into the season.

The current stable of QBs have been soiled by bad coaching.

Clausen is ruined from being put in too early with too little support. He has about as much of a future in this league as David Carr had.

Pike MIGHT be able to shake off the bad coaching, but will never amount to anything more than a career backup, or at best, a late blooming starter who will be lucky to see playoff action.

We just need to ditch Clausen. Trade him for a Vet, bring in Newton with the draft, #1 if we have to. See how it goes.

[rayzor]

ok. so if this is the case who was the next qb most ranked after him before he decided to not to come out?

it is just weird that after andrew luck decided to go back to school, all other qbs in this draft all of a sudden just sucked. if we were going to pick a qb with our 1st pick , because we saw it as a need, why, even if our top qb pick doesnt declare, would we still not look at qb in the first round?

there is a giant drop off in talent after luck....not just at QB, but across the board. this isn't a good draft class at all. there are a few guys worth taking at #1, but compared to previous years it's just full of blah. if it weren't for the juniors coming out it would probably be the worst draft class ever.

behind luck at QB though....it's a horrible mess of QBs. gabbert is horrible under pressure (in college he looks as scared as clausen did this past year) and will be a 3 year project who will most likely be just an average QB as a starter. mallett is the QB most likely to be the overrated big armed QB that turns into jamarcus russel or ryan leaf. locker is just on a downward spiral. newton is the only guy with a ton of upside, but even at that he is a project and a pretty big risk. he has to have an offense built around him rather than being able to plug into any system and do well (like luck).

out of all of them, newton is the only one i would bother with and it is primarily based on his massive potential and in spite of him coming from a spread, 1 look offense.

the need for QB is still the same, but if the talent is there, we shouldn't make the pick. of all the positions of need (QB, DT, CB being the greatest followed by WR and TE), the choices available for QB are much weaker than the choices for the other positions. there are a lot of players i would take ahead of any of the QBs in this draft, even some that aren't positions of need just because i don't think there is any real value in the guys who are slated to go the earliest among them.

[TheRealDeal]

Actually Rivera spoke at length at his press conference about the need to find a franchise QB, so we are looking to the future.

Also Hurney didn't describe the QB as a need... he described it as a PRIORITY. This means that it will be fixed and likely through the draft because Mr. Richardson also has talked about his dislike of re-treads.

You can believe whatever you want that comes out of the FO. I don't fault you for that.

I understand QB is a priority, but not just any QB. I see you have trouble with reading comprehension and so forth because you still haven't fully understood the difference between Cam's workout and other college players workouts (Pro days) so I'm going to say it to you this way.

They didn't make getting a project a priority. They want someone to compete right away. That doesn't exist in this draft and if it did Newton isn't the top candidate for that.

This is ignoring the fact that this release is one of the oldest tricks in the book and shouldn't even be considered when making a point.

[koolkatluke]

People should stop blaming other fans or scouting services for not wanting 2 risk a number #1 overall pick on CAM. Blame Gene Chizik he played a system that was good for Arburn. Not a system good for Cam's future. If he had used a pro system at all maybe their is no ? marks with Cam right now.

[monstercat]

Luck was rated as a once in a decade type talent and not just by 1 or 2 or 3 scouting services. All scouting media had him as the best thing since slice bread. Without him the rest of the draft looks like the David carr and Joey harrington draft. Or the Alex smith draft where the best qb prospects have alot of ?

David Carr and Joey Harrington were deemed to be #1 worthy by most of the scouts in that draft, so what's your point?

[TheRealDeal]

David Carr and Joey Harrington were deemed to be #1 worthy by most of the scouts in that draft, so what's your point?

They were not once in a decade

[teeray]

If someone comes to JR and tells him they want to sign a FA QB or trade for one the first thing JR will ask is, "Well if he is so good how come his team doesn't want him anymore." That has always bee JR's line of thinking which is why we don't sign large contract free agents or trade our draft picks for back up QB's.

If you want to pull for a team that does that go watch Dan Snyder and the Skins play one day and tell me how that is working out for them.

If JR wants that at all his positions I assure he he sure as hell thinks that in regards to the QB position.

[rayzor]

People should stop blaming other fans or scouting services for not wanting 2 risk a number #1 overall pick on CAM. Blame Gene Chizik he played a system that was good for Arburn. Not a system good for Cam's future. If he had used a pro system at all maybe their is no ? marks with Cam right now.

that was actually one of the huge knocks on The Golden Calf of Bristol. he had the misfortune of playing on a team that didn't do much of anything to prepare him for playing in the pros. that didn't mean that he wouldn't be able to do well, just that it would take a good bit of work to get him there. same with newton. i think newton is more pro ready than The Golden Calf of Bristol was, fwiw.

[koolkatluke]

They were not once in a decade

Thank You!!! Neither one was compared to John Elway and Peyton Manning. They were just the best QB coming out that year. Really if you remeber people thought DREW Henson was better then both of them he just choose baseball.

[monstercat]

They were not once in a decade

I'm not sure Luck is either. Anyway, how long do you think it will be before another QB with Cam Newton's potential comes along? If he can shore up his mechanics and learn how to run an NFL offense, he actually has a much higher ceiling than Luck does.

[Mr. Scot]

The current stable of QBs have been soiled by bad coaching.

Clausen is ruined from being put in too early with too little support. He has about as much of a future in this league as David Carr had.

Pike MIGHT be able to shake off the bad coaching, but will never amount to anything more than a career backup, or at best, a late blooming starter who will be lucky to see playoff action.

We just need to ditch Clausen. Trade him for a Vet, bring in Newton with the draft, #1 if we have to. See how it goes.

What veteran could we possibly get in trade for Clausen?

The coaching staff and front office have made it pretty clear that Clausen will get his shot this season to prove whether or not he can be a franchise QB. The most likely fallback plan if he proves not to be up to it is a veteran free agent.

Any plan that involves Clausen being gone this year is highly unlikely to happen.

[teeray]

They were not once in a decade

Neither was Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, or Ben Roethlisberger when they came out but two of those guys are SB champs and the other a perennial Pro Bowler.

The only once in a decade talent to come out at QB as of late was Russell.

And there are NO prospects being described as a once in a decade talent in this draft. All of them have strengths and weaknesses.

If there was a once in a decade like talent I would say draft him no matter what position but there isn't so lets sure up our largest deficiency with our high pick.