Cam Newton Public Workout

[TheRealDeal]

Thats is extremely funny coming from you.

Seriously?

[CarolinaKat]

Seriously?

I'm as serious as a kick in the nutts. You've said the same thing over and over and over. Your only source is what Scouts and other taking heads have to say. You think your right about everything Cam Newton. You just have a opinion like everyone else. Doesn't make what you say the real deal and when you pick fights with internet names it just makes you look real dumb

[Mr. Scot]

I already did. You ignored it.

Look... let's just have a gentleman's truce here man. You see things differently than I do. I can respect that. I've never, once, attacked you personally about your positions. I AM NOT KING TAHARQA.

Can we move on now? If you really want to respond to me, please take it to PMs.

Producing a statement from one person says nothing about the rest of us.

You took that one statement and started throwing around accusations that a bunch of people were producing "stupid arguments" when "in reality, it's racial".

What makes that even more ridiculous is that several people - me included - argued against that statement when it was made. I can't recall a single person defending it, and yet somehow his viewpoint became imputed to a bunch of other people. Heck, you've even gone so far as to suggest that the scouts who were downing him might be racist. That leap in logic had no basis whatsoever :nonod:

You blew up at everybody over something one guy said, and you should have apologized for it. Instead, you've been justifying it ever since, and getting increasingly further out there in the process.

So who actually is, other than that one poster in a completely different thread, who was torn apart in that thread by many of us?

Stop being ambiguous with your labels. Call it like it is. Tell us who in this thread is a racist or being influenced by racist thoughts or whatever bullcrap, or just drop the argument entirely and accept maybe we just disagree. I have no problem with you thinking Cam Newton is #1 in this draft right now, I just disagree, and I'll tell you I disagree. That doesn't mean I'm infected with racism or you're infected with racism it just means we see things differently, and that's fine.

Exactly.

[monstercat]

Other interesting things to consider. The knocks that some websites have said about Newton are IDENTICAL to what websites said about Ben Roethlisberger. Bad foot work, not accurate enough, played in a spread and never took snaps under center, doesn't throw a tight spiral.

http://profootball.scout.com/2/64110.html

http://profootball.scout.com/2/246184.html

And NFL GM's don't uniformly agree with your assessments either. A CBS Sportsline article has GM's saying while watching his film:

"[Newton] could be fantastic!"

"Newton doesn't get enough credit for being one of the most accurate QB's in all of college football."

Another GM said he reminded him a lot of Ben Roethlisberger.

Big Ben was projected in a similar fashion as Newton is in this draft, and Ben's draft was considered to be a pretty weak draft for QB's but in hindsight was actually one of the strongest. Eli Manning was not a slam dunk number one overall pick, Rivers had a funky delivery and arm strength questions, and Big Ben played in a weak conference in a spread offense and had footwork and accuracy issues.

If the Panthers think Newton can be as good as a lot of NFL scouts and GM's think they should not worry about projections and just snag him.

Nice post. You should have joined this thread sooner. I would love to see what scouts were saying about guys like Steve Young and Joe Montana too. I'm sure they all had flaws that they had to work on before they became great QB's.

[teeray]

Real Deal,

QB's almost every year have there own public workout for scouts. This is not unprecedented. Clausen had a public workout last year I believe.

[blackcatgrowl]

So who actually is, other than that one poster in a completely different thread, who was torn apart in that thread by many of us?

Stop being ambiguous with your labels. Call it like it is. Tell us who in this thread is a racist or being influenced by racist thoughts or whatever bullcrap, or just drop the argument entirely and accept maybe we just disagree. I have no problem with you thinking Cam Newton is #1 in this draft right now, I just disagree, and I'll tell you I disagree. That doesn't mean I'm infected with racism or you're infected with racism it just means we see things differenty.

Ok... fine... you can quote me on this from here on out.

Blackcatgrowl's official statement of race as how it affects Cam Newton, and it's affect on The Huddle

- I don't think TRD is a racist.

- I don't think Mr. Scot is a racist.

- I don't think anyone in the Cam Newton Personal Workout thread is a racist.

- I've seen three posts that have shown direct racism towards Cam. I've gone back and found one (a post by a user named Vagrant). I can't find the others, nor have time to.

- I've also seen a bunch of other subtly racist comments on Cam.

- I acknowledge that there IS racism present against black QBs, and believe this is influencing people's attitudes in the national media and behind closed doors.

Ok. Is everyone happy now?

[TheRealDeal]

I'm as serious as a kick in the nutts. You've said the same thing over and over and over. Your only source is what Scouts and other taking heads have to say. You think your right about everything Cam Newton. You just have a opinion like everyone else. Doesn't make what you say the real deal and when you pick fights with internet names it just makes you look real dumb

I do not think my opinion is always correct but when his own coaches admit that his footwork is an issue, is it fair to say that it's an issue?

I have repeatedly stated that Cam Newton can be fine in the NFL if he works on issues that he has, just like all other QBs coming out.

I have a problem with people that act like he doesn't have any issues.

You find fault in that?

[blackcatgrowl]

Producing a statement from one person says nothing about the rest of us.

You took that one statement and started throwing around accusations that a bunch of people were producing "stupid arguments" when "in reality, it's racial".

I'm assuming you mean the "KT is right" thread.

You're misconstruing what I wrote. I'm sorry you saw it that way.

What makes that even more ridiculous is that several people - me included - argued against that statement when it was made. I can't recall a single person defending it, and yet somehow his viewpoint became imputed to a bunch of other people. That leap had no basis whatsoever :nonod:

Several people defended it. It was not a personal attack on anyone. Just a simply acknowledgment that there is racism here, where I thought there wasn't before.

You blew up at everybody over something one guy said, and you should have apologized for it. Instead, you've been justifying it ever since, and getting increasingly further out there in the process.

See my official statement above.

[TheRealDeal]

Real Deal,

QB's almost every year have there own public workout for scouts. This is not unprecedented. Clausen had a public workout last year I believe.

You must not understand something here, maybe a lost in translation type of thing.

This workout isn't for scouts. This workout is for media only. No one has problems for workouts with scouts. Why have a workout for media only? Build hype? Publicity?

They have no bearing on your draft status so why do it?

[Mr. Scot]

I'm assuming you mean the "KT is right" thread.

You're misconstruing what I wrote. I'm sorry you saw it that way.

Several people defended it. It was not a personal attack on anyone. Just a simply acknowledgment that there is racism here, where I thought there wasn't before.

See my official statement above.

Show me the posts where "several people defended it".

Ok... fine... you can quote me on this from here on out.

Blackcatgrowl's official statement of race as how it affects Cam Newton, and it's affect on The Huddle

- I don't think TRD is a racist.

- I don't think Mr. Scot is a racist.

- I don't think anyone in the Cam Newton Personal Workout thread is a racist.

- I've seen three posts that have shown direct racism towards Cam. I've gone back and found one (a post by a user named Vagrant). I can't find the others, nor have time to.

- I've also seen a bunch of other subtly racist comments on Cam.

- I acknowledge that there IS racism present against black QBs, and believe this is influencing people's attitudes in the national media and behind closed doors.

Ok. Is everyone happy now?

Give up on the "subtly racist" stuff, and the "racist scouts" stuff, because you've got nothing on that.

Again, if you can't actually show where someone has made a racist statement, going with the "subtle racism" or "hidden racism" is just a baseless personal attack.

[CarolinaKat]

I have a problem with people that act like he doesn't have any issues.

You find fault in that?

Not one bit...No one up here has posted "Cam is perfect". But as i've read through this thread and others all you've done is say how terrible a choice he would be. Every college QB has issues. Every single one of them. Doesn't mean they can't learn. So what did the scouts & GM's and his former coach say about Newton's ability to learn something new and be taught?

[mav1234]

sounds good. Like I said, my issue is when you dismiss posters arguments here as being influenced by racism.

BTW, in response to the posts about Big Ben etc, Big Ben and Cam Newton have some similarities in their scouting reports... one of the major differences tho is the amount of time Big Ben actually played in college. It gave scouts much more to digest and it allowed them to see his improvement over time. Also, as I've said, if Cam Newton is to have success I personally see his future career path more in line with Big Ben in terms of strong passer that uses his strength and legs to extend plays and make passes but I think saying 'because Big Ben did this, Cam Newton can and will too' is silly. Newton is his own dude.

The biggest difference between Big Ben and Cam Newton in college was the offense and reads they ran. Big Ben always used his legs and strength to escape the rush and find receivers down field; he was never considered a "running quarterback" really. Now, I'm NOT saying Cam Newton can't become a pocket passer first and foremost, I am just saying that I did not see that as the case at Auburn.

edit: also if i recall I think Ben coming out really protected the ball well and had very few interceptions considering the huge number of passes he threw.

[TheRealDeal]

Not one bit...No one up here has posted "Cam is perfect". But as i've read through this thread and others all you've done is say how terrible a choice he would be. Every college QB has issues. Every single one of them. Doesn't mean they can't learn. So what did the scouts & GM's and his former coach say about Newton's ability to learn something new and be taught?

Many posters have aggressively defended Cam when it comes to his footwork, ability to read a defense, accuracy, and off field issues, claiming that such issues don't exist and were all idiots.

I don't know what his former coach said about him but I expect it to be great. Not one coach will say that a former player about to get drafted isn't worth it.

If were going to ask his former coach why not ask his dad as well?

I haven't heard what scouts and GMs have said about his ability to be taught because frankly I don't think they've said anything considering there hasn't been much interaction or interviews. Do you have something that shows what a GM has said about his ability to learn at the NFL level?

I'd appreciate it.

[CarolinaKat]

Mr. Scot,

Are you saying most black college QB's don't get labeled as running QB's? Do they get credit for being smart or just athletic? Most of the knocks I've seen on Cam and alot of young black QB's is they can't read defenses or they can't understand the difficult play books and blah blah. Thats coming from scouts, GM's posters whoever....seems to be the same thing over and over. Thats got to have a hint of racism to it....even if it's just a little bit.