Cam Newton Public Workout

[blackcatgrowl]

You overestimate KT, big time. He's not a nemesis. He's a troll. Nobody gives him any credibility, so his ability to do damage to anyone's reputation is, to put it kindly, limited.

And the fact that racism exists proves that people on here are being racist when it comes to Newton...how, exactly? :sosp:

Throw in that for someone who claims to be the only "objective" person in the argument, your notion that Newton has gotten "more bad press in the past year than any other player in college sports, including going into the draft" is extremely subjective, and can't really be quantified.

I'll say it again: People on here can't come to agreement on Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike, Matt Moore, Jake Delhomme, Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, or a load of other white quarterbacks, but if they disagree on Cam Newton, you believe racism has to be part of it because "racism exists".

I tend to call a horse a horse. If I'm reading headline after headline about "Newton cheating" or "Newton payed to play", and yes, my god did I see this every week just since about October until the week before the SEC camp game... I tend to think someone has it out for the kid, especially after he was cleared of any of these charges.

Now that he's entered the draft, I'm seeing, "He needs polish", "he has bad footwork." in the draft projection articles, when I see these things week after week, I see more of the same attacks on him. Baseless. Subjective.

And why would this happen? Well... racism is as valid a reason as any other.

Prove to me he CONSISTENTLY has bad footwork. Show me he has accuracy issues (and no, a post from The Real Deal giving his opinion on the NC game doesn't count :dita:).

You, and everyone else I've read that's down on him are the ones that has nothing in that regard.

For the record Mr. Scot... I don't think you're a racist. And I think you're pretty smart about football 95% of the time. I just think you're wrong about this one.

P.S. and Edit - Before Luck announced he was staying in school, I was happy with him coming in at #1. This was because the need is so great at the position. That need hasn't changed, and while Luck might be a better passer, there's as much promise in Newton with his athleticism that can help us out.

[TheRealDeal]

And when Newton is taken at 15 and isn't the starter year 1 is it because the team that drafted him is racist and won't give him a chance? What about year 2 or 3? What about 4 if there is one?

Racism is not an excuse. Vick was taken #1, where was the racism there? VY taken 3rd.

Were they not the same scouts then as there are now?

You see, if Cam had the skills of those players or was the best QB in this class, he'd be higher. Just give it a rest man.

[Mr. Scot]

I tend to call a horse a horse. If I'm reading headline after headline about "Newton cheating" or "Newton payed to play", and yes, my god did I see this every week just since about October until the week before the SEC camp game... I tend to think someone has it out for the kid, especially after he was cleared of any of these charges.

Now that he's entered the draft, I'm seeing, "He needs polish", "he has bad footwork." in the draft projection articles, when I didn't see these things week after week, I see more of the same attacks on him. Baseless. Subjective.

And why would this happen? Well... racism is as valid a reason as any other.

Prove to me he CONSISTENTLY has bad footwork. Show me he has accuracy issues (and no, a post from The Real Deal giving his opinion on the NC game doesn't count :dita:).

You, and everyone else I've read that's down on him are the ones that has nothing in that regard.

For the record Mr. Scot... I don't think you're a racist. And I think you're pretty smart about football 95% of the time. I just think you're wrong about this one.

The issues he's had in his past are as much his father's doing as anything else, but his father is still his father. And yeah, family members with issues can affect how teams view a guy (See also: Warner, Brenda).

Tell me this: Do you honestly think the media wouldn't have pursued the story about how he got to Auburn is he were white? Cause if you think black QBs are the only ones the media goes after when there's a scandal, Rhett Bomar might like a word (or on the pro level, Jay Cutler).

I read a pretty significant portion of the Pro Football Weekly draft guide on an annual basis. That, plus lots of other scouting sites online. I can tell you I've not seen anything in the negative analysis of Newton that I haven't seen in plenty of other quarterbacks before him; white, black, hispanic, asian or whatever. For that matter, there's plenty of negative being thrown around about all the top quarterback prospects this year. Newton's far from the only one getting knocked around.

He has issues. Every quarterback prospect does. Some more than others.

He's a project. Lots of quarterbacks, including pretty much every one of them coming out this year, are also.

Bottom Line: Not a single one of them is worth the number one pick, and color has nothing to do with it.

The notion that this kid is being picked on by analysts just doesn't hold water.

[bleys]

Oh For fug Sake...

CAN WE MOVE THIS THREAD TO SMACK OR SOMETHING?

This is getting ridiculous.

I've already said I don't support specific people being accused of being racist on assertion only...

But KT's shtick isn't just towards Mr. Scot. He sees a larger audience of racism in our fan base. Now that Cam is a legit prospect.... I'm seeing it too. I can't begin to tell you how many others have sent me messages in rep remarks saying the same thing.

KT has called me a racist and "wouldn't expect anything else from a white supremacist" because I didn't want to take a chance on Vick 2 years ago...

how you can say "I don't support specific people being accused of being racist on assertion only... " and then turn around and give KT credit when that's exactly what he does is foolish, naive, ignorant.. pick your favorite..

he doesn't see poo.. and you're a fool for giving him such credit.. his mission is to call everyone a racist for disagreeing with him and if you are seeing a lot of people as being racist, that hardly means s.hit. . it means you see what you want to see.. people see what they look for.. whether it's real or not..

Vagrant is hardly the masses.. and "a few more incidents" are hardly the masses.. and you're obviously falling for KT's bulls.hit when you think Scot falls into the minority..

this can go to smack forum, and any time KT posts in a topic, it should go to the smack forum because he's merely trolling...

all the white QBs are getting bashed, but it's only a race thing when it comes to Newton.. how fuging objective is that?

[blackcatgrowl]

Vagrant is hardly the masses.. and "a few more incidents" are hardly the masses.. and you're obviously falling for KT's bulls.hit when you think Scot falls into the minority..

this can go to smack forum, and any time KT posts in a topic, it should go to the smack forum because he's merely trolling...

all the white QBs are getting bashed, but it's only a race thing when it comes to Newton.. how fuging objective is that?

So all those white QBs, did they have stats like Newton? Did they go undefeated all year and win the BCS? Did they win the Heisman? Do those white QBs have his height of 6'6" and size at 250 Lb.? Can they run a 40 in 4.5-4.7 seconds? Can they leap from the 7 yard line while out running a CB to extend the ball past the plane to score a TD?

There's no QB in the draft that has accomplished as much.

So what's wrong with Newton?

[TheRealDeal]

The point is that those things don't translate to the NFL. You need actual honed skills to be successful in the NFL because everyone is athletic.

Until you understand that you will just think everyone is racist and continue looking like an idiot.

[blackcatgrowl]

The point is that those things don't translate to the NFL. You need actual honed skills to be successful in the NFL because everyone is athletic.

Until you understand that you will just think everyone is racist and continue looking like an idiot.

Yeah, like Jimmy Clausen's honed skill right? Actually, you need a high level of talent to translate to the NFL first and foremost.

And I don't think you're a racist TRD, not at all. I just think you're an idiot.

[bleys]

So all those white QBs, did they have stats like Newton? Did they go undefeated all year and win the BCS? Did they win the Heisman? Do those white QBs have his height of 6'6" and size at 250 Lb.? Can they run a 40 in 4.5-4.7 seconds? Can they leap from the 7 yard line while out running a CB to extend the ball past the plane to score a TD?

There's no QB in the draft that has accomplished as much.

So what's wrong with Newton?

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[TheRealDeal]

Yeah, like Jimmy Clausen's honed skill right? Actually, you need a high level of talent to translate to the NFL first and foremost.

And I don't think you're a racist TRD, not at all. I just think you're an idiot.

Yes because I'm clearly advocating for Clausen to start next year.

He doesn't have a high level of talent, he has a high level of athleticism, there is a difference. He needs to take that and make it QB usable talent.

I'm not the one coming off as the idiot in this thread...

[blackcatgrowl]

Yes because I'm clearly advocating for Clausen to start next year.

He doesn't have a high level of talent, he has a high level of athleticism, there is a difference. He needs to take that and make it QB usable talent.

I'm not the one coming off as the idiot in this thread...

Yeah, with your supporting cast of Newton bashers, you're right at home.

Well, I've had enough of this. Have fun hating all.

[TheRealDeal]

Yeah, with your supporting cast of Newton bashers, you're right at home.

Well, I've had enough of this. Have fun hating all.

:auto: See ya

[bleys]

So all those white QBs, did they have stats like Newton? Did they go undefeated all year and win the BCS? Did they win the Heisman? Do those white QBs have his height of 6'6" and size at 250 Lb.? Can they run a 40 in 4.5-4.7 seconds? Can they leap from the 7 yard line while out running a CB to extend the ball past the plane to score a TD?

There's no QB in the draft that has accomplished as much.

So what's wrong with Newton?

His arm? His footwork? C'mon man.

These are just a few highlights. He did this poo all year long.

I don't give a f.uck if Newton could walk on the moon.. If the scouting department sees something special, I'm sure he'll be the pick. if not, I hardly think they are being racist.. you get it?

so if people on here don't think Newton is the #1 pick overall, it's most likely NOT because they are racist.. get it?

if you see a racist, start a thread and put the spotlight on him... otherwise, spare me this bulls.hit about intelligent people being racist simply because they disagree on something..

I've gone through this poo with KT a few times, just like Scot.. I simply disagreed that Vick is too much of a risk (character wise and talent wise) to gamble on.. especially with a coaching staff as incompetent as Fox and Davidson..

So if you want to go around thinking KT has a f.ucking clue, go for it.. don't mind me while I assume you're a clown, just like KT is a clown..

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Know this:

On several occasions I've tried to have a civil discussion with him, but he's tucked his tail and ran because he's not interested in having a discussion.. he's far too interested in following through with his agenda to troll the f.uck out of these forums while Zod and company ignore it..

(finally, Zod spoke up earlier in this thread.. go back and read that, since you seem to think KT is Scot's ultimate nemesis.. I'm surprised you missed it)

I've seen a lot of people banned for being immature.. but I've never seen KT banned for harassing people..

[CarolinaKat]

If this team hadn't drafted Clausen I'd say there was no reason you folk could make up to not draft Newton. But having two project QB's as your 1 & 2 playcallers equals nothing but a losing season. You can tell Jimmy might be good one day. But he's a average NFL QB at best. Most Black QB's are labeled as running QB's. And most start out that way in the beginning of their career. But Warren Moon, Cunningham, Rodney Pete, McNabb, even Vince Young learned how to throw the ball in the NFL too. Anyone can see Cam is a better pick over Clausen and pretty much any free agent QB availible right now. All this Cam can't read defenses, He's from a spread offense is nonsense. Like people can't change, learn. Plenty NFL QB's have played in a spread offense in college....So what?

[Mr. Scot]

Said it before, and will say again.

You really don't want to use winning the Heisman, winning the National Championship, or leading in stats as the crux of your argument for taking a guy number one.

Why?

Some Heisman winning QBs from the last twenty years:

2008 - Sam Bradford

2007 - The Golden Calf of Bristol

2006 - Troy Smith

2004 - Matt Leinart

2003 - Jason White

2002 - Carson Palmer

2001 - Eric Crouch

2000 - Chris Weinke

1996 - Danny Wuerffel

1993 - Charlie Ward

1992 - Gino Torretta

1990 - Ty Detmer

1989 - Andre Ware

The Golden Calf of Bristol and Bradford are still major question marks (especially The Golden Calf of Bristol). The best of the bunch is Carson Palmer, who to this day still hasn't made the difference the Bengals thought he would (granted it's the Bengals).

Want to shift to National Championship guys? Here are your winners (and losers) from the past ten years.

2009 - Greg McElroy, Colt McCoy

2008 - The Golden Calf of Bristol, Bradford

2007 - Matt Flynn, Todd Boeckman

2006 - Chris Leak/The Golden Calf of Bristol, Troy Smith

2005 - Vince Young, Matt Leinart

2004 - Leinart, Rhett Bomar

2003 - Jamarcus Russell, Jason White

2002 - Craig Krenzel, Ken Dorsey

2001 - Ken Dorsey, Eric Crouch

2000 - Josh Heupel, Chris Weinke

And if you want to go with stat leaders, among past guys who have set high passing marks are names like Timmy Chang, Tim Couch, Colt Stanton, Matt Leinart and our own Chris Weinke.

To say there's not a whole lot of NFL success to be found associated with the players shown here would be an understatement

So just keep in mind, when you argue the Heisman, National Championship or big stats as a reason to look at Newton, these are the names you're invoking.