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Cam Newton Public Workout

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blackcatgrowl Newbie

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And what actual evidence do you have to back that statement up, other than your own opinions?

Gee... maybe you've missed the whole race issue at QB over the past few years?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308

Let me start by saying I love those guys," (Manning, Palmer) McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes.

"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?

And McNabb is right. He was always under fire from the Eagles fans. Despite taking them to the play offs year after year, and even advancing to the Super Bowl once.

Now... apply that to Newton. He's gotten an ungodly amount of criticism in the press and on this board. You HONESTLY don't think some of it is racial? Seriously?

This is where KT DOES HAVE some weight to be so angry. And of course no analyst is going to come right out and say "Oh, he's black, so he's no good at QB." They'll say other stuff like, "Well, he's inaccurate (despite a 68% completion rate)". Or "He has poor footwork (which is completely subjective when looking at only one play, or only one game).

Do you have anything whatsoever that you can use to show a single analyst has allowed race to factor into his assessment?

I'd have to go back to the early 90's to give you that. Because the last time it happened, that analyst got fired. Now, it's all behind closed doors.... but you'd be a naive fool to think it doesn't still exist.

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Gee... maybe you've missed the whole race issue at QB over the past few years?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308

And McNabb is right. He was always under fire from the Eagles fans. Despite taking them to the play offs year after year, and even advancing to the Super Bowl once.

Now... apply that to Newton. He's gotten an ungodly amount of criticism in the press and on this board. You HONESTLY don't think some of it is racial? Seriously?

This is where KT DOES HAVE some weight to be so angry. And of course no analyst is going to come right out and say "Oh, he's black, so he's no good at QB." They'll say other stuff like, "Well, he's inaccurate (despite a 68% completion rate)". Or "He has poor footwork (which is completely subjective when looking at only one play, or only one game).

I'd have to go back to the early 90's to give you that. Because the last time it happened, that analyst got fired. Now, it's all behind closed doors.... but you'd be a naive fool to think it doesn't still exist.

A Donovan McNabb interview, in which he gives his opinion, and doesn't really have anything to back it up other than his own perceptions.

Seriously? That's what you call objective evidence? :nonod:

And really, Eagle fans being tough on somebody? Since when is that exclusive to McNabb? Bear in mind we're also talking about a guy who's been known to have a bit of a persecution complex and rarely admits to his own mistakes.

I asked you for evidence to show that analysts, any analyst, has been influenced by race in his ranking of Newton. What you've just shown me is that you have zero. The only place the evidence exists is in your own perceptions.

Oh, and one guy in the 90s was a racist. Therefore all these guys who are downing Newton a decade later must also be racists. No, that's no stretch :sosp:

You've got nothing, but you're willing to throw around the racist accusations anyway because "you just know".

If you really want to insist on dragging the argument into the racist gutter, and this is the best justification you can give...

Sad :frown2:

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A Donovan McNabb interview, in which he gives his opinion, and doesn't really have anything to back it up other than his own perceptions.

Seriously? That's what you call objective evidence? :nonod:

And seriously, Eagle fans being tough on somebody? Since when is that exclusive to McNabb? Bear in mind we're also talking about a guy who's been known to have a bit of a persecution complex and rarely admits to his own mistakes.

I asked you for evidence to show that analysts, any analyst, has been influenced by race in his ranking of Newton. What you've just shown me is that you have zero. The only place the evidence exists is in your own perceptions.

You've got nothing.

I've shown you evidence of it here on this forum, when anonymity in a consequence free setting allows for the display of it. Since media jobs are lost over racism, you aren't going to see it in the press.

As far as the press goes, the evidence is the amount of criticism he's gotten, not just after he declared, but during the school year too. The rumors and accusations leveled at the kid were amazing.

If you can't accept it is at least in PART influenced by racism, YOUR perceptions are the ones skewed. Not mine.

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I'm convinced that half of these people never watched Cam play until the NC game, which was nowhere near his best game of the season. Even some of the experts seem to be giving that game more weight than the body of work for some reason.

Bowl games and title games are and should be weighted heavier than others because teams want to see how someone performs when the lights are bright.

Newton wasn't terrible in the NC game, but he wasn't great either. I'm reserving my opinions on him until I see him at the combine, because staged workouts are typically tailored to play to the player in question's strengths. I didn't see much of Newton outside of the NC game and YouTube highlights, so I can't form an opinion yet.

With that said, his troubles at the college level concern me. None of us know what happened exactly but the laptop thing along with cheating (or was it plagiarizing?) allegations are something to consider for sure. If that makes me a racist in someones eyes then I don't care and they are entitled to their opinion.

Funny though that if Wilbon or Deion Sanders or Jaime Dukes says Jimmy Clausens draft status is effected by him coming off as an arrogant jerk then that's ok, but a white analyst or fan questioning any part of Newtons game is because they are racist, or heavily influenced by racists, and that just doesn't seem fair to me.

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Some of it may indeed be racial. How much I am not sure. Seems like a pretty complicated issue.

This is what I've been saying all along.

The problem is it seems anyone that is against taking him at #1 is pegged a racist for some retarded reason.

THIS is what Mr. Scot THINKS I'm saying, which is actually KT's thing, not mine.

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FTR, I'm not calling anybody a racist. My arguments are based on my opinions of Cam Newton's ability and his enormous potential. I just think the kid is a player, and that he shouldn't be punished for his father's behavior. God knows where I would be if I had to be judged on what my relatives do.

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The bottom line is that Newton is PROJECTED as a mid to late round draft choice. Even if the Panthers do believe he is the best player on the board, it would be idiotic to take him at #1. You would be paying more money and passing up the opportunity to pick up additional draft picks that we need desperately.

If he is or is not the best overall player is irrelevant. The perception that he will be there in the mid first round is extremely relevant.

I don't think many in here are completely against drafting him. I think we are completely against once again not getting the total value for our pick that we could have gotten. Why take him at #1 when he will be there at #10 or even #15 and at the very least we could save money and pick up a few late round picks?

Is that hard to understand?

This is hitting the nail on the head to me. It's like when the Raiders drafted DHB I think #7 or so overall a few years back. It was a dumb move because even if they knew that was the guy they wanted he would have been there late first or later even, so they could have gotten picks and got their guy. If this is what the Panthers do if they like Newton, I got no beef with that. So far, #1 overall just doesn't sit well with me.

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