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Re: Defensive Tackle-Draft is NOT the way to go

frash.exe

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1st rounders since 2004

2003

Dewayne Robertson-Nose tackle (N/A)

Jonathan Sullivan-New England couldn't even save his career

Kevin Williams-Constitutes half of the feared Williams wall in Minnesota

Jimmy Kennedy-Slowly developed the first 4 years, then went horribly downhill.

William Joseph-Massive bust

2004

Tommie Harris-Pro bowler

Vince Wilfork-Nose tackle

Marcus Tubbs-bust (one solid season sandwiched between 2 ineffective ones)

2005

Travis Johnson-Iffy at best. Again, one solid season, surrounded by 3 average ones

Luis Castillo-Converted to DE (N/A)

Mike Patterson-Solid starter

2006

Haloti Ngata-Premier Nose Tackle (N/A)

Broderick Bunkley-solid starter

John McCargo-Nothingness

2007

Amobi Okoye-Decent starter. Better than Damione

Justin Harrell-BUST

2008

Glenn Dorsey-Solid rookie effort

Sedrick Ellis-Ditto^

Kentwan Balmer-Hasn't done anything yet

First round DTs can be line disruptors, but if they are busts, they are awful. Would you assume that kind of a risk, providing we do get a first rounder for Peppers?

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why don't NTs count? Ngata's been phenomenal. Castillo has been a force in the 3-4, in what's essentially a tackle position.

You could do the same with DE. Not everybody works out. Not that I think DT is the only option, but certainly you can go down the line and see failure at any position.

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1st rounders since 2004

2003

Dewayne Robertson-Nose tackle (N/A)

Jonathan Sullivan-New England couldn't even save his career

Kevin Williams-Constitutes half of the feared Williams wall in Minnesota

Jimmy Kennedy-Slowly developed the first 4 years, then went horribly downhill.

William Joseph-Massive bust

2004

Tommie Harris-Pro bowler

Vince Wilfork-Nose tackle

Marcus Tubbs-bust (one solid season sandwiched between 2 ineffective ones)

2005

Travis Johnson-Iffy at best. Again, one solid season, surrounded by 3 average ones

Luis Castillo-Converted to DE (N/A)

Mike Patterson-Solid starter

2006

Haloti Ngata-Premier Nose Tackle (N/A)

Broderick Bunkley-solid starter

John McCargo-Nothingness

2007

Amobi Okoye-Decent starter. Better than Damione

Justin Harrell-BUST

2008

Glenn Dorsey-Solid rookie effort

Sedrick Ellis-Ditto^

Kentwan Balmer-Hasn't done anything yet

First round DTs can be line disruptors, but if they are busts, they are awful. Would you assume that kind of a risk, providing we do get a first rounder for Peppers?

You can do this with just about every position. The draft is just as much hit or miss with DTs as it is with QBs and so on and so on.

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Take the best DT's in the game today: Haynesworth, Jenkins, K Williams, J Williams, Ngata, Hampton, Wilfork, and formally Harris and Stroud, and what you find is almost all were taken in the first with a handful in the second round.

Name the greatest of all time: Mean Joe, Olsen, Randy White, Lilly and Page, and you find all were taken in the first.

Quarterback on the other hand...

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....Yeah Jake Delhommes are just SOOOOO easy to find aren't they?

so many undrafted free agents starting and outperforming first round draft picks out there. Here's something you probably didn't look up: 9 out of the top 15 QBs this year were first rounders. So much for "bust" probability.

back to the topic at hand.

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....Yeah Jake Delhommes are just SOOOOO easy to find aren't they?

so many undrafted free agents starting and outperforming first round draft picks out there. Here's something you probably didn't look up: 9 out of the top 15 QBs this year were first rounders. So much for "bust" probability.

back to the topic at hand.

well, DT's do take a while to develop, more so than any other position I think. Haynseworth was considered a bust after about 4 years. :driving:

But anyway, I don't want a DT, I'd much rather draft a TE

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well, DT's do take a while to develop, more so than any other position I think. Haynseworth was considered a bust after about 4 years. :driving:

But anyway, I don't want a DT, I'd much rather draft a TE

oh noes, but that's on the Panthers first round "no-nos" list.

Other positions...

QB

WR

Safety

Instead let's stockpile running backs and linebackers....:rolleyes:

....although I would take Maualuga out of SC...

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