Hurney: QB is Carolina Panthers' 'No. 1 need'

[TheRealDeal]

TRD I think your counting your chickens before they hatch. Now Volek I can see beating him out because he already knows chud's system. But Moore and A Smith would be equal with Jimmy going into camp. It's a new system 2 all of them. Jimmy might catch on 2 the new playbook faster then Moore and Smith both have been noted as slow learners. Moore doesn't have a 3 year head start this time.

Yes but both Moore and A Smith are far more physically gifted than Clausen. Considering Clausen had "been in the same exact offense at ND" I don't think him learning the offense is an issue but more executing it.

[koolkatluke]

Panthers need to get Vince Young in here ASAP.

Just refer to Mike Vick two years ago.

Why so the suicide hotlines can get a raise in pay? Or we can have another QB quit on us?

[koolkatluke]

Yes but both Moore and A Smith are far more physically gifted than Clausen. Considering Clausen had "been in the same exact offense at ND" I don't think him learning the offense is an issue but more executing it.

Beside the fact that he had Weiss who is a great OC calling play at ND and Jeff D here who down right sucks as a play caller.

Doesn't change the fact Moore had more time with the speed of the pro game and facing the talent in the pro game.

Moore maybe physically more gifted but A smith is not. Jimmy has a better arm and a quckier release then Smith. Smith is another spread QB like Pike who stacked up # in that system.

Also the fact still remains their were ? about how long it takes Moore 2 learn a playbook.

[TheRealDeal]

Beside the fact that he had Weiss who is a great OC calling play at ND and Jeff D here who down right sucks as a play caller.

Doesn't change the fact Moore had more time with the speed of the pro game and facing the talent in the pro game.

Moore maybe physically more gifted but A smith is not. Jimmy has a better arm and a quckier release then Smith. Smith is another spread QB like Pike who stacked up # in that system.

Also the fact still remains their were ? about how long it takes Moore 2 learn a playbook.

That was based on one person's opinion but other people closer to the team said it wasn't true.

Also, go back and watch him play as a rookie without a TC with this team and the first time being in this system and there are plays and throws that Jimmy didn't attempt which shows an expanded playbook for Moore.

You could almost say that Moore has some experience with this system thanks to all the connections to the Oregon State staff that the Charger staff had. I'm sure there is a little bit of carry over there.

[frash.exe]

Clausen was a rookie, Moore was in his fourth year and Jimmy still managed a better passer rating

Moore is not gifted in any way, he's a plain vanilla QB with no upside, and his only good game last year was letting David Gettis abuse a corner with a bad ankle. give it up

[TheRealDeal]

Clausen was a rookie, Moore was in his fourth year and Jimmy still managed a better passer rating

Moore is not gifted in any way, he's a plain vanilla QB with no upside, and his only good game last year was letting David Gettis abuse a corner with a bad ankle. give it up

Passer rating is a useless stat especially when applied to roughly 4 games out of the year.

He still moved the offense better than Clausen ever could.

I can't argue the other part because that is your personal opinion but many people more versed than you in QBs have stated otherwise.

You think he has no upside and is plain vanilla but you were probably also one of the people that thought Clausen had the pedigree.

[bleys]

Panthers need to get Vince Young in here ASAP.

Just refer to Mike Vick two years ago.

just refer to the log out button..

[frash.exe]

Passer rating is a useless stat especially when applied to roughly 4 games out of the year.

He still moved the offense better than Clausen ever could.

I can't argue the other part because that is your personal opinion but many people more versed than you in QBs have stated otherwise.

You think he has no upside and is plain vanilla but you were probably also one of the people that thought Clausen had the pedigree.

Whatever dude, you probably don't even realize Moore checked down nearly as much as Clausen

he sucks and he's not even under contract right now, yet in every conversation about QBs you have to inject him in like he played worlds better than Clausen. I'm not gonna go into this whole spiel arguing whether he played better because it's pretty much a marginal difference either way, but the thing is Moore had 3 more years in this offense than Clausen, started like 10 pro games already in his career, and the offense didn't change, he didn't make the offense run well even if he did perform better than a 2nd round rookie

[panthers55]

Or they want another team 2 think they want a player when they rather trade back.

If they plan to trade back then it becomes a different matter. If they are making a trade though they actually might want everyone to know so they can field offers and pit one team against the other. Assuming that a team or teams might actually want to trade up to the first. Frankly I don't know that there is at this point given there isn't one player that stands out above the rest.

[panthers55]

I was listening to Mayock talk about Senior bowl players on Movin the Chains. He said something interesting when talking about quarterbacks. He said that given the different college systems out there he doesn't put much stock in completion percentages overall or passing less than 10 yards. He said that the way to judge a quarterback was how he looks throwing the ball between 11-20 yards. He said those were the throws a quarterback has to make in the NFL. If you give him any credence, then all this checkdown talk seems meaningless. It really doesn't matter how many 3 yard passes you make but can you convert a 3rd and 8 with a 15 yard strike on an out route or crossing route across the middle.

While I was driving today I caught John Madden talking about the Superbowl and about Big Ben. Apparently in third down passing this year he was second among all quarterbacks behind Brady. Madden said when he was covering him his rookie year that Roethlisburger got good at it because Pittsburgh would always run on first and second down and only throw on third down if it was longer than 4 or 5 yards. Ben joked to Madden that he only got to throw when they didn't have another other choice.

You can see where I am going with this.

While we likely won't run as much under Chud as we did with Davidson, we will run quite a bit and third down conversions in the passing game will be very important. Do we have the guy on our roster who can make that throw? If not who among the draftees or free agents excel at that?? Any??

[koolkatluke]

That was based on one person's opinion but other people closer to the team said it wasn't true.

Also, go back and watch him play as a rookie without a TC with this team and the first time being in this system and there are plays and throws that Jimmy didn't attempt which shows an expanded playbook for Moore.

You could almost say that Moore has some experience with this system thanks to all the connections to the Oregon State staff that the Charger staff had. I'm sure there is a little bit of carry over there.

No it was based on that even in his 3rd season the coaching staff stated he was still only playing with half of the playbook.

TIMELINE

1st year Jake gets hurt Carr sucks and Vinny plays a few games then Moore did a good job at the end of the season.

2nd year Moore breaks leg in preseason game but before had lost the 2nd spot 2 Mccown. People start saying it was because his slow learning of the playbook.

3rd year Jake fell apart Mccown gets hurt in the Philly game they sign Feely and Moore ends the year on fire. But at one time their was a ? will he or feely get the start after jake gets hurt.

[TheRealDeal]

Whatever dude, you probably don't even realize Moore checked down nearly as much as Clausen

he sucks and he's not even under contract right now, yet in every conversation about QBs you have to inject him in like he played worlds better than Clausen. I'm not gonna go into this whole spiel arguing whether he played better because it's pretty much a marginal difference either way, but the thing is Moore had 3 more years in this offense than Clausen, started like 10 pro games already in his career, and the offense didn't change, he didn't make the offense run well even if he did perform better than a 2nd round rookie

You keep comparing a 3.5-4 game sample size of Moore's career, with 2 of his worst games ever mixed in, to Clausen's 10 games this year where he never deviated that much from bad and the comparison holds little to no weight.

I inject him into QB conversations because he is a legitimate option as a QB next year, whether you like it or not.

[TheRealDeal]

No it was based on that even in his 3rd season the coaching staff stated he was still only playing with half of the playbook.

TIMELINE

1st year Jake gets hurt Carr sucks and Vinny plays a few games then Moore did a good job at the end of the season.

2nd year Moore breaks leg in preseason game but before had lost the 2nd spot 2 Mccown. People start saying it was because his slow learning of the playbook.

3rd year Jake fell apart McCown gets hurt in the Philly game they sign Feely and Moore ends the year on fire. But at one time their was a ? will he or feely get the start after jake gets hurt.

You know McCown wasn't on the team until the day after Moore broke his leg right?

How did he lose his position to McCown for not knowing the playbook when he wasn't even on the team.

Please stick to facts.

[ammofan]

CAM NEWTON NOW!

If not Peterson......but CAM NEWTON NOW!