Hurney: QB is Carolina Panthers' 'No. 1 need'

[PanthersGM305]

I would love to see a Kyle Orton trade , He played with Ron in Chicago when Rex went down. We have #8 available , He would start here over Jimmy or he will out play him in camp and start the season.

[Mr. Scot]

As is drawing any NFL big picture conclusions on the careers of Koy Detmer and AJ feeley.

McNabb was pretty much on the low end of things last year, and more picks than TDs? Not a good sign. And he'll be another year older next season and looking to still be paid like an elite QB. I'll pass. Likewise, Kolb had decent stats in his appearances, but again he's playing within the system.

Bottom Line: The WCO makes guys look better than they are, especially as run by a smart coach like Reid. Heck, David Carr had a great completion percentage before he came here, but again it was the system. Taking them out of that system, putting them in a conventional offense and expecting the same results has pretty much never worked, yet teams are willing to keep trying.

There really isn't enough information to make that determination. Mcnabb has had one year. And that one year was with the Redskins, a dysfunctional team if there ever was one. And Mcnabb is really the only "star" qb that reid has had, until he got Vick.

As far as the non stars, Garcia did pretty well in Philly, and then played just as well in Tampa. He also played fairly well in Sf when he was there. AJ Feely sucked in Philly, and sucked elsewhere. Detmer was a career backup in Philly.

Garcia played for two teams with non-WCO attacks, and sucked in both. He couldn't do jack outside that system.

Feeley actually looked pretty good in 2002. Most of the analysts at the time thought the Dolphins made a good trade. But then he took the field

It's what happens. We always caution against taking "system quarterbacks' in the draft, but they exists in the pros too.

[Mr. Scot]

What I don't understand is, if WCO offense allow a QB to put up MASSIVE NUMBERS (and apparently with "bad" QB's like McNabb who will suck in any other system), why in the world isn't EVERY team in the league using this offense???

You need the right players - and honestly the right coaches - to run if successfully.

More than one critic has referred to the WCO as a "horizontal offense". You throw two one-yard out routes and a three yard slant, and hey you've got a 100% completion percentage and a QB rating over a hundred as well. Congratulations! :thumbsup:

By the way it's fourth and five and we have to punt

For it to work best, you need a DeSean Jackson or a Jerry Rice, and those don't grow on trees.

[pantherclaw]

So the question remains if we don't have free agency until after the draft and a QB is the highest priority, do we hope to get someone in FA, or do we pick a QB in the draft. He didn't say how he would use pick up the quarterback. With Hurney's usual wheeling and dealing it could be we trade our pick for a veteran QB and picks later in the draft or just pick from the available draftees.

Seem much of this rests on Chud and Shula's evaluation of Clausen's potential at this point. But I wouldn't be surprised if Hurney has a few tricks or trades up his sleeve.

Still gotta go BPA in the draft, then fill out the roster withfree agents. This will actually be a good thing, IMO, if it happens in that order! Usually ya sign free agents first, see what you get from the draft, then have to pick from what's left of a depleated free agent pool.

[MadHatter]

Good thing about this years draft is that even if there is no "Andrew Luck type prospect" in this draft, all of the top players are at a position of need...and one that will definitely help this team.

Fairley, Petterson, Green, Bowers (to a lesser degree) are all better than the incumbents at their position.

There will be a lot of disagreement as to which is better, but I really don't think we can make a bad decision with this group.

Still, I would love to find a way to trade down and add a pick or two....just not sure if you can get it done this year. But, maybe we can.

[CatMan72]

You need the right players - and honestly the right coaches - to run if successfully.

More than one critic has referred to the WCO as a "horizontal offense". You throw two one-yard out routes and a three yard slant, and hey you've got a 100% completion percentage and a QB rating over a hundred as well. Congratulations! :thumbsup:

By the way it's fourth and five and we have to punt

For it to work best, you need a DeSean Jackson or a Jerry Rice, and those don't grow on trees.

...or Steve Smith.

But point taken, you need coaches who are well versed in the WCO to run it successfully and you need the right kind of QB.

[MadHatter]

if it was true i would.

Well played:D

[frash.exe]

the sucky and scary thing about this year is for some stupid reason lots of draftniks have yo gabba gabbert ranked highly in spite of him having really poor pocket presence, esp. when under pressure which effects his footwork. many scouts will get a hard on because a QB has good size and a cannon for an arm and will allow that to persuade them that since he has "all the tools" he can be taught the rest, only they rarely ever are and they end up being a bust.

point is, this is a really bad year to be wanting/needing a QB....esp. if you are looking for a prototypical drop back QB. yo gabba might be the best of the class of that kind, but he's really just a turd floating to the top. all the need and desire for there to be one this year won't make one magically appear.

yea... that's the main problem with this draft is that there's probably no QB worth it

so then plan b would be to get some weapons on offense. lets put a good oline in front of Clausen, add some weapons (AJ Green, every down TE *Zach Miller*) retain our backfield (Williams) and see how he does with that kind of supporting cast next year.

[koolkatluke]

yea... that's the main problem with this draft is that there's probably no QB worth it

so then plan b would be to get some weapons on offense. lets put a good oline in front of Clausen, add some weapons (AJ Green, every down TE *Zach Miller*) retain our backfield (Williams) and see how he does with that kind of supporting cast next year.

So what do you do about our DT and CB situation?

[TheRealDeal]

yea... that's the main problem with this draft is that there's probably no QB worth it

so then plan b would be to get some weapons on offense. lets put a good oline in front of Clausen, add some weapons (AJ Green, every down TE *Zach Miller*) retain our backfield (Williams) and see how he does with that kind of supporting cast next year.

They'd still likely bring some form of competition in whether it be Moore, Volek, A Smith, etc and I don't see him beating out anyone so I like your plan if that's what they decide to do but he should not be under center.

[Captain Obvious]

it may be true, but capt. obvious says this is a smokescreen.

Okay I'll say it......SMOKESCREEN....

Not sure why I had to say it though!

[panthers55]

Okay I'll say it......SMOKESCREEN....

Not sure why I had to say it though!

You don't need a smokescreen when you have the first pick. Teams fake other teams out when they want a particular player and don't want other teams to pick the guy before they do. But when you have the first pick in the draft you don't need to worry about other teams.

I thought that would be obvious to you????

[koolkatluke]

They'd still likely bring some form of competition in whether it be Moore, Volek, A Smith, etc and I don't see him beating out anyone so I like your plan if that's what they decide to do but he should not be under center.

TRD I think your counting your chickens before they hatch. Now Volek I can see beating him out because he already knows chud's system. But Moore and A Smith would be equal with Jimmy going into camp. It's a new system 2 all of them. Jimmy might catch on 2 the new playbook faster then Moore and Smith both have been noted as slow learners. Moore doesn't have a 3 year head start this time.

[koolkatluke]

You don't need a smokescreen when you have the first pick. Teams fake other teams out when they want a particular player and don't want other teams to pick the guy before they do. But when you have the first pick in the draft you don't need to worry about other teams.

I thought that would be obvious to you????

Or they want another team 2 think they want a player when they rather trade back.