Let's trade Moton

[CmC2k]

Let Moton play out his contract this year he has earned that money. Moton has been a good sport and has done nothing but put in work despite how bad the team has been since he's got here. Moton is a guy everyone should want to retire a career Panther. 

I understand the concerns about his knees so a team friendly deal of a year or 2 next offseason sounds like a good move. Moton strikes me as a smart dude and if his knees are gonna hinder the quality of life he will have after his playing days are done then I suspect he'll hang up the cleats earlier than some expect. 

[blueandblackattack]

12 hours ago, scratched said:

What could we get in a trade of Moton? He has a little age on him, and is starting to get a little nicked up... And we can draft Membou. We get younger at a position of need and gather a few picks in the trade? We are building for the future, and this guy Membou would be a good addition up front. 

[Stuart Smith]

12 hours ago, PanthersGTI said:

You don't get rid of a player you know plays well and is a locker room leader, unless your hand is forced, on the hope that his replacement works out. You can still draft Membou and let him learn a year and get up to speed so he can hit the ground running, but you don't take a cornerstone linemen and off load him when he still plays well and isn't causing your team fits with their cap hit. 

 

The whole "How many games will we win this season?" question is also based in fantasy. You have to build a culture and keep improving. You don't throw in the towel at the start of the season and jettison good players for the future when we are not even close to a point where we have to blow the roster up and start over. They set the foundation last year, you let them build on it.

In addition Moton is one if not the most reliable O.L. We have ever had. He had several years of no missed games. 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

This same guy probably wanted to trade Jordan Gross in ‘08

[SurvivalSloth]

 

[PantherChris]

22 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

well if you say we arent winning this year why would the cap savings matter?  Why not keep the same oline and hope bryce gets better because of it?

Wow we found a poster that makes you the cool calm voice of reason.... this guy's take is horrible 

[PantherChris]

19 hours ago, scratched said:

Top 10? That is laughable... we may have slid into the top 20 in some rankings. Top 10 overall? Put the pipe down. 

Nah that's you

 

Top 10 pass blocking and sacks allowed, 

Top 5 run blocking, #9 overall by pff 

 

Stfu

[Icege]

Definitely need to start planning now for life without TMo, but I don't know if the team is going to have somebody just as good on the roster. I like BC, but he's on a 1yr deal.

Got a feeling we might see that 2nd round pick used on an OT if there's a decent one still available.

[Gapanthersfan]

He’s Jordan Gross part 2, just on the other side of the line. He shows up week after week and does his damn job. Well. He doesn’t show up to training camp out of shape. Rarely does he miss extended amounts of time. He’s just a low key dude. He leaves on his terms unless his performance falls off significantly. 

[scratched]

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

Nah that's you

 

Top 10 pass blocking and sacks allowed, 

Top 5 run blocking, #9 overall by pff 

 

Stfu

I see you're another football guru who uses one ranking and has that as the pinnacle of all rankings.. Pro Football Network has them top 20 overall. I'm not disputing that we had a middle of the pack OL last year. And I'm not disputing whether Moton has been good or will be good again this year. My reasons to get rid of him now are valid to me.  I would argue we could bring in Membou and that ranking would be no worse then last year. And we would have a young piece for the future that can play both tackle positions. If you would like to discuss your reasons for wanting to keep Moton, then that's fine. But don't act like a child and comment "STFU". That just proves your ignorance! When we have to overpay to keep him next year, or lose him for nothing, I don't wanna hear all the crying! 

[scratched]

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

Wow we found a poster that makes you the cool calm voice of reason.... this guy's take is horrible 

Do I really need to respond to anyone asking about cap savings? When that is the main culprit for the predicament we are in! 

[MHS831]

14 hours ago, CmC2k said:

Let Moton play out his contract this year he has earned that money. Moton has been a good sport and has done nothing but put in work despite how bad the team has been since he's got here. Moton is a guy everyone should want to retire a career Panther. 

I understand the concerns about his knees so a team friendly deal of a year or 2 next offseason sounds like a good move. Moton strikes me as a smart dude and if his knees are gonna hinder the quality of life he will have after his playing days are done then I suspect he'll hang up the cleats earlier than some expect. 

This reminded me of a Bear player in the 80s Dan Hampton who had 5 surgeries on EACH knee.  He claimed that science and medicine would be so advanced by the time he got old, he was not worried about knee problems when he got old.  He is 67 now.  I could not find anything that suggested his knee issues were still a problem (probably both were replaced), but I did learn that he (around 2002) received his third DUI conviction in six years.  (Self medicating?) Ironically, Hampton is part of a Miller Lite and Gridiron Greats promotion to raise funds for retired NFL players in need.  Why Miller beer company would allow someone with knee issues and multiple DUIs to be part of something they sponsor is interesting. 

[MHS831]

I will say this:  The Steelers used to be notorious for letting players go in what seemed to be their primes and that player would often begin their downward trajectory.  Barry Foster, for example, came to the Panthers from Pittsburgh and was a dud.  Kevin Greene shows the other side.  If Moton's knees are not as bad as thought, he could play another 4 seasons. If deteriorating knees leads to deteriorating performance, then we held the hot potato too long.  This is true with every player, and I have read articles about players on third contracts compared to first and second contracts and most NFL players seem to be overpaid--but OL tend to earn their money and hold up the best, based on my memory.  I do not care about how a player retires or how a player might feel if traded--that is part of the business and they are compensated very well.  I do, however, worry about the locker room; if players see vets getting sent to the slaughter house, it may impact their psyche.  So it is a delicate situation.  Moton is one of the high character, dependable, quality players on the roster. We have not worried about RT for nearly a decade (Flashback:  Super Bowl 50).  We have him under contract for another season and his knees are questionable, based on rumor.

If you trade him based on his knees, you will not get value for him--the trade could get vetoed.  With his age, health, and contract situation, you are not getting more than a fourth rounder for him--not enough to replace his productivity. 

There is a time when you try to squeeze a few more brushings out of the tooth paste tube and there is a time to throw it away.  Is there toothpaste left in the tube?  Yep.  Is it possible that the time to throw the tube away happens during the season?  Yep. 

I understand the logic behind the OP's point and it is nothing that should solicit personal criticisms and rude reactions that are offensive.  Learn how to disagree.  However, if you see the problems other teams have at OT for years, etc. those of you wanting Moton to stay are also endorsing the idea of having a rookie OT on the right side in 2026, when this team should be competitive.  The coin has 2 sides.  I think you draft that RT this season (day 2) and you leave Moton there--but I get it if Morgan trades Moton for more picks to help us meet our needs.

We need an edge, a S, and an OT right now--with Moton on the roster--in my view.  That player would develop and serve as depth (knees).  You don't draft for 2025 needs only.  These are 4-year contracts.