Let's trade Moton

[UnluckyforSome]

We already have a replacement right tackle to take over for Moton. He is somewhat playing as the current left tackle.

[Waldo]

My 2 big negatives are not upgrading a one of many positions that  needs improvement and not a good look for a franchise that is at the bottom of the leauge in wins recently.

Bringing in a rookie to play next to Hunt and offsetting his bloated contract with a rookie contract is what good teams would do. It's set up for next year anyways and his health is an unknown at this point. No idea about the savings this year it would be a cya move moving forward for sure.

Also, there could be a hole in the center of the line so it's not like improvement isn't unwelcome long term, even if they really need to find players on the D to inject imediate competition at the minimum. They still need to take one some time this draft and I'm fine with a later development type guy of Moton's wheels have one last year in him.

 

[pantherclaw]

Never. I do mean; NEVER

 

NEVER take a strength and tear it apart. 

 

 

[Ornias]

We hopefully draft an OT in the middle rounds to learn from Moton. Move on next year. We have enough holes that we do not need to create another. 

[CPF4LIFE]

Lol

[CPF4LIFE]

Lol...you are just dying to get rookie bryce again aren't you

[MHS831]

The only way I would trade him is after the draft if we took a RT because he was the BPA--or if they know something about his knee--in fairness, a bad knee on a big man can be career ending--but if that is the case, nobody would trade for him.  I worry that the panthers keep trading core veterans (McCaffery, Burns) and we become a farm team.  However, instead of mocking the OP, state a countering opinion.  His points: 1.  Moton is old.  2. Moton is in the last year of a contract, 3.  We are not going to the playoffs in 2025.  Argue against those points instead of acting like the beacon of all that is football knowledge.  Some folks on here are dickheads and they can't help being personal when they disagree with you--so instead of offerning a counterpoint using data, they make it personal using sarcasm.  Insecure people do that on the internet.  They don't think they are dickheads, so they keep doing it.  It is in their DNA. Sorry you have to endure that to throw out an option---and I disagree unless BPA is a T in round 1.

Ideally, I would take a T in the 3rd or 4th and develop them a season under Moton.  We have BC, fwiw, but he too is on a one-year contract.  That RT from BC (Tripoli, sp?) would be a good fit, imo, because he is a great pass pro guy, meh in the run game.  The OL coaches deserve praise for what they did in 2024--Zavala, Mays, and Ekwonu were much improved.

The way Zavala played at the end of the season for Hunt, I am surprised that teams are not trying to get him--

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:16 PM by MHS831

[SCO96]

I may be in the minority, but I'm not convinced that we have no chance of making the playoffs this season. We're not making a Super Bowl in 2025. We can all agree on that. But then again, only 2 teams make it there each season.

We only need to win our division to make the playoffs. The NFC South is not the AFC West, the NFC East, or the NFC North. I doubt we'll see 2 teams from the South make the playoffs. If we are able to field a middle of the road defense in 2025...and Bryce continues to show improvement like he did at the end of the year... I think we have just as much of a chance of winning the division as Atlanta, New Orleans, or Tampa Bay. None of the former teams are juggernauts or considered to be a threat to win the NFC this season.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Joe Bear said:

The benefit to trading him doesn't outweigh the cost.

Yeah--but I get the idea or thought and it is a fair discussion to have--but Moton is solid--he is not irreplaceable--no pro bowls or anything--just solid and a great locker room guy.  I want to keep him--chemistry on the OL is important.    The issue with Moton:

"Taylor Moton, Carolina Panthers' right tackle, suffered a knee injury that led to him being listed as doubtful for the Week 17 game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, according to Yahoo Sports. The injury prevented him from participating in practice throughout the week. According to Sports Illustrated, Moton was also listed as inactive for the game. Joe Person from The Athletic, reported that there were concerns about the health of Moton's knees, potentially impacting his future with the team."  (Interesting that Person mentioned "knees"--plural--and not a specific reference to the knee he injured.  That suggests that Moton's knees are deteriorating, a problem some linemen have--so if the OP had included this in his original point, it might have solicited more favorable reactions.  This is an issue we have to address in some way--and maybe signing BC was that)

Since then, Person has stated that his opinion was that the Panthers would not extend Moton to get cap space, taking a "wait and see" approach to determining his future with the team. 

[Mr. Scot]

I understand planning for the future, but anytime the whole "hey let's trade this guy who's pretty good and has some years left to pick up some guys who may or may not be as good but will at least be younger" scenario comes up, I find myself wary

[MHS831]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I understand planning for the future, but anytime the whole "hey let's trade this guy who's pretty good and has some years left to pick up some guys who may or may not be as good but will at least be younger" scenario comes up, I find myself wary

I think that had his knees been in good shape, he would have been extended by now.  My opinion is based on the fact that they do not to seem very confident about his knees, so should we?  On the other hand, all veterans are playing with some chronic injury of some sort, so how much weight do you give it? 

And in today's market, Moton's salary is not overblown.  Unless your concern becomes a problem, you stay the course, I would think.  But Moton will probably not be our tackle when we are a playoff team, so the time to start grooming his successor is probably this year.

Edited Tuesday at 03:46 PM by MHS831

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think that had his knees been in good shape, he would have been extended by now.  My opinion is based on the fact that they do not to seem very confident about his knees, so should we?  On the other hand, all veterans are playing with some chronic injury of some sort, so how much weight do you give it? 

And in today's market, Moton's salary is not overblown.  Unless your concern becomes a problem, you stay the course, I would think.  But Moton will probably not be our tackle when we are a playoff team, so the time to start grooming his successor is probably this year.

I wouldn't argue that It's often better to give up on a player too early than too late. That said, it feels like all too often, right as someone is getting good, we start talking about trading them.

(generally, not specific to Moton)

As an aside, I feel like the sliding scale measuring the distance between giving up on someone too soon or holding on to them too long should be called "The Belichick - Rivera Scale"

[MHS831]

26 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I may be in the minority, but I'm not convinced that we have no chance of making the playoffs this season. We're not making a Super Bowl in 2025. We can all agree on that. But then again, only 2 teams make it there each season.

We only need to win our division to make the playoffs. The NFC South is not the AFC West, the NFC East, or the NFC North. I doubt we'll see 2 teams from the South make the playoffs. If we are able to field a middle of the road defense in 2025...and Bryce continues to show improvement like he did at the end of the year... I think we have just as much of a chance of winning the division as Atlanta, New Orleans, or Tampa Bay. None of the former teams are juggernauts or considered to be a threat to win the NFC this season.

Last year (going from memory) we were 4-5 in our last 9 games, with 2 close losses in that span to the Super Bowl teams.  Our defense was abysmal during that time.  So if we get the d overhauled (as we have already done to some degree, we think) and add a WR, could we be ready?   I think so, depending on what the other teams do, but I do not fear the other teams.  We are not on the level of the Lions, Vikings, Eagles, Commanders right now, but we can play with the NFC South. New Orleans has Rattler and Atlanta has Penix (not sold yet), and Tampa has streaky Baker.   Could Bryce emerge as the best QB in the NFC south?

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't argue that It's often better to give up on a player too early than too late. That said, it feels like all too often, right as someone is getting good, we start talking about trading them.

(generally, not specific to Moton)

As an aside, I feel like the sliding scale measuring the distance between giving up on someone too soon or holding on to them too long should be called "The Belichick - Rivera Scale"

Great points.  Moton missed one game, I think?  Week 17?  It is only through rumor and hearsay that I even know about his knee issues--and that is from Person.  How reliable is his intel?