Panthers begin background work on Fairley

[YoungPanthers89]

when is green's background work coming?

[The Saltman]

So it should be easy then and we should just be interviewing third rounders. Unless this is all smoke and mirrors and trying to get some team to fall in love with one of these D guys we are talking to to help us trade down and pick up a 2nd round pick.

I would be happy with a trade down, or with AJ green or with PP. who knows whats going to happen.

[MadHatter]

Yeah I'm not happy about this at all. I can't believe so many are on board with this defensive movement when our most glaring need is so obviously offense in ALL areas, QB, O-line and WR.

Not to mention or defense is already pretty solid all the way around. We can find plugs for the few holes we need in the later round. We should be going for O with our 1st and 3rd round picks.

This is the most disheartening development for me over the past couple of weeks.

Agree that OLine, QB, and WR are needs.

However, there is no Olineman worthy of even close to a top 5 pick.

There is a big question as to whether any of the QB's are worthy of the top pick.

Green is the only offensive player that I think is worthy of the top pick on talent alone.

[ncbobcat]

The helmet to knee was intentional. Watch again.

The ball is gone for two seconds before he hits the QB. If his vision is that bad, we should probably stay away, he'll be sacking refs and sitting on the wrong bench before you know it.

No comment on him bloodying the guys jaw with his facemask?

The second one? I didn't see blood. Was there a little etxra there, yup. Was illegal, nope. Are you sure you don't like figure skating?

As for the taking QBs down hard. GREAT, until the NFL got overly protective of their 'golden boys' like Brady and Manning a few years ago, that wouldn't wouldn't have even been a foul in the NFL. Your right though, it's tragic tackling a QB too hard now is a personal foul.

Sadly your missing a very glaring point...FAIRLEY GETS TO THE QUARTERBACK! If he sucked, none of those videos would have been made because the "questionable hits" are all on the QB.

[PantherFanForLife]

The second one? I didn't see blood. Was there a little etxra there, yup. Was illegal, nope. Are you sure you don't like figure skating?

As for the taking QBs down hard. GREAT, until the NFL got overly protective of their 'golden boys' like Brady and Manning a few years ago, that wouldn't wouldn't have even been a foul in the NFL. Your right though, it's tragic tackling a QB too hard now is a personal foul.

Sadly your missing a very glaring point...FAIRLEY GETS TO THE QUARTERBACK! If he sucked, none of those videos would have been made because the "questionable hits" are all on the QB.

Well nevertheless the fact remains if he wants to play at the NFL level and actually HELP the team he's going to have to tone down his aggression or we'll be facing penalty after penalty.

And when you ask a guy like this, who is just a raw animal to control himself, how effective will he still be when it's obvious he plays at his best when he's trying to hurt somebody?

With all the new rules, which whether you like it or not, are a reality of football that must be followed in order to win, the pendulum is swinging from favoring guys like him to less aggressive but smarter and more intelligent defensive players.

I don't see the rules reversing. I see this trend continuing with even more restrictions being placed on defensive players in the future.

Which is why we should be going for offense in the first fuging place!

[ncbobcat]

Yeah I'm not happy about this at all. I can't believe so many are on board with this defensive movement when our most glaring need is so obviously offense in ALL areas, QB, O-line and WR.

Not to mention or defense is already pretty solid all the way around. We can find plugs for the few holes we need in the later round. We should be going for O with our 1st and 3rd round picks.

This is the most disheartening development for me over the past couple of weeks.

I'm not following this logic that you can plug holes on defense and not on offense when they are equal in need.

Defense needs DTx 2, CB and potentially a safety.

Offense needs QB, RG and maybe a WR.

Looks the same to me outside of one position has ZERO quality and that position happens to have the best player available to us and potentially best player overall in the draft.

[PantherFanForLife]

I'm not following this logic that you can plug holes on defense and not on offense when they are equal in need.

Defense needs DTx 2, CB and potentially a safety.

Offense needs QB, RG and maybe a WR.

Looks the same to me outside of one position has ZERO quality and that position happens to be the best at his position and potentially best player overall in the draft.

I'm not following the logic where you think a defense that ranked in the middle of the pack is in equal need as an offense that ranked last.

Actually even with a half-decent offense that can at least stay on the field half the time, our D would have probably been top 10 last year.

Even if we improve our D, we can't shut out everybody every single game. This offense simply can't score points!

[The Saltman]

most of the offensive problems were at QB, OL and at TE. (no Pass catching tight end able to open up the field)

in this draft there is nobody worthy enough to pick in those needs I specified above at the first pick. Simple as that.

[Sloth]

The second one? I didn't see blood. Was there a little etxra there, yup. Was illegal, nope. Are you sure you don't like figure skating?

As for the taking QBs down hard. GREAT, until the NFL got overly protective of their 'golden boys' like Brady and Manning a few years ago, that wouldn't wouldn't have even been a foul in the NFL. Your right though, it's tragic tackling a QB too hard now is a personal foul.

Sadly your missing a very glaring point...FAIRLEY GETS TO THE QUARTERBACK! If he sucked, none of those videos would have been made because the "questionable hits" are all on the QB.

Nah, I actually watch football, not highlights.

Bleating your little heart out about how old school football used to be while Limp Bizkit loops in your head doesn't change where the game is now. He does any of those plays once he starts playing in the NFL and that's 15 yards. He keeps doing it and he's going to have someone blow his knee out for him.

Also if any DT did any of that to one of our QBs you'd be screaming your head off and calling them a thug.

[ncbobcat]

Well nevertheless the fact remains if he wants to play at the NFL level and actually HELP the team he's going to have to tone down his aggression or we'll be facing penalty after penalty.

And when you ask a guy like this, who is just a raw animal to control himself, how effective will he still be when it's obvious he plays at his best when he's trying to hurt somebody?

With all the new rules, which whether you like it or not, are a reality of football that must be followed in order to win, the pendulum is swinging from favoring guys like him to less aggressive but smarter and more intelligent defensive players.

I don't see the rules reversing. I see this trend continuing with even more restrictions being placed on defensive players in the future.

Which is why we should be going for offense in the first f**king place!

Wow, I know understand why old school guys like Butkus, Deacon Jones and the like consider today's football wussified.

It's a glamour-boy offensive game now. It won't be long until tackling is outlawed and little flags will be attached to the players.

[nagai]

most of the offensive problems were at QB, OL and at TE. (no Pass catching tight end able to open up the field)

in this draft there is nobody worthy enough to pick in those needs I specified above at the first pick. Simple as that.

Forget it bro, these guys just don't get it. Year after year, people look at the draft through our positional needs, when we are clearly a BPA team. At this point I've given up on trying to explain this simple fact to them.

[PantherFanForLife]

Wow, I know understand why old school guys like Butkus, Deacon Jones and the like consider today's football wussified.

It's a glamour-boy offensive game now. It won't be long until tackling is outlawed and little flags will be attached to the players.

You may think that. Heck I think the same thing. But I'm on board with the times. It is reality today and that type of play has been long gone.

It's just a fact. Back then it used to be heralded. Now it gets you criticism, a 15 yard penalty and a hefty fine. But we are playing now, not 30-40 years ago.

[ncbobcat]

Nah, I actually watch football, not highlights.

Bleating your little heart out about how old school football used to be while Limp Bizkit loops in your head doesn't change where the game is now. He does any of those plays once he starts playing in the NFL and that's 15 yards. He keeps doing it and he's going to have someone blow his knee out for him.

Also if any DT did any of that to one of our QBs you'd be screaming your head off and calling them a thug.

I never said it the hit in the back wasn't a foul. I just said how did you know HE knew the ball was gone. It was a foul, but not a spear in the calssic sense of the term; he never left his feet.

While I may be bleating my heart out, you obviously are a bleeding heart and don't care where the game came from.

You still fail to recongnize Fairley gets to the QB. That's the sad part.

[ncbobcat]

You may think that. Heck I think the same thing. But I'm on board with the times. It is reality today and that type of play has been long gone.

It's just a fact. Back then it used to be heralded. Now it gets you criticism, a 15 yard penalty and a hefty fine. But we are playing now, not 30-40 years ago.

Stricter QB rules are only a few years old. Hits below the knee on the QB is like two year-old ban and ONLY because it sidelined Tom Brady. Had it been Joe Smoe at QB, that type of tackle still is leagal today.