Think that AE will become a real NFL receiver next year?

[chef17]

You know, I am sorry for the comment. Just felt like you were being a little snide there...I shouldn't have said what I did.

But I said I see what you are saying.

I guess my only evidence was that Fox was accused of being reluctant to play younger players, as accused by the owner.

I added to that the assumption (guess maybe I shouldn't try to venture those on a message board for online discussions) that it has probably been something that has happened to certain young players on the team.

On top of that, I recall that the offense really sucked, like super bad, this past year. And also that it really didn't change (for example: there were no real changes, no wrinkles added, no real attempts to jump start the offense, s.o.s.) because Fox thought his formula was the way to do it.

Then, I really just had this idea recently because honestly I didn't really like the draft manuevering to get AE: I thought about why Hurney would have made the decision to move up to get him. Why he would give up a second, to get a project player in the third, and then how he must have felt to see Fox not even give the man a uniform on some Sundays.

So, yes...I see your point. And I understand that he may not have been ready to play on a playoff caliber team with a coach who had a contract. But he was on a terrible team decimated with injuries who were playing for nothing other than draft order. Fox could have tried a few new things with him. More than he did, anyway. In my opinion, that is.

Fox stated sometime during the season in an interview that he didn't like using AE in the wildcat. He would rather use the practice time to work on our actual offense (we knew it was old and tired, Fox never accepted that). Add in the fact that AE needed the time to learn WR. That would explain why AE didn't play QB.

We have already established why he likely didn't play WR. As for PR, Captain did a decent job this season, so no reason to let AE take over unless he really showed out in practice.

There is nothing wrong with talking about this stuff on message boards. However, when you have no evidence to support it (and more reasons that actually disagree with it), and the same topic gets brought up a million times it gets really old.

[Edward Teach]

Fox stated sometime during the season in an interview that he didn't like using AE in the wildcat. He would rather use the practice time to work on our actual offense (we knew it was old and tired, Fox never accepted that). Add in the fact that AE needed the time to learn WR. That would explain why AE didn't play QB.

Again, Fox's reluctance to change to some type of offense that might make use of AE's talents. Maybe not the Wildcat, but in other roles, like out of the backfield, on end arounds, quick catches out of the backfield. Remember how the Patriots used to use Troy Brown? Like that. I don't mean line AE up and run him in regular pass routes and catch passes across the middle or things that LaFell and Gettis would be able to do much better than him.

There is nothing wrong with talking about this stuff on message boards. However, when you have no evidence to support it (and more reasons that actually disagree with it), and the same topic gets brought up a million times it gets really old.

I think that I provided what I would call my "evidence" for a reply on a discussion board that is supposed to be for discussing ideas that people have about their favorite football team. I see your disagreement and truly understand the one point that you have made, and as for that, I would say that you have a point. As far as it being brought up a million times, I am sorry that you have had to deal with it that many times. What I would suggest would be to avoid these topics that don't interest you because they have been covered so many times.

Go Panthers!

[chef17]

Again, Fox's reluctance to change to some type of offense that might make use of AE's talents. Maybe not the Wildcat, but in other roles, like out of the backfield, on end arounds, quick catches out of the backfield. Remember how the Patriots used to use Troy Brown? Like that. I don't mean line AE up and run him in regular pass routes and catch passes across the middle or things that LaFell and Gettis would be able to do much better than him.

I think that I provided what I would call my "evidence" for a reply on a discussion board that is supposed to be for discussing ideas that people have about their favorite football team. I see your disagreement and truly understand the one point that you have made, and as for that, I would say that you have a point. As far as it being brought up a million times, I am sorry that you have had to deal with it that many times. What I would suggest would be to avoid these topics that don't interest you because they have been covered so many times.

Go Panthers!

Everyone including Hurney knew the offense Fox ran before AE was drafted. I personally wouldn't consider that Fox making it harder for AE to get on the field, you have the right to disagree.

If I recall correctly AE was the only rookie not to really see playing time besides Pike so the Fox doesn't like young guys evidence doesn't apply here. Fox not changing the offense is more evidence of Fox being stubborn than making it hard on AE IMO, but again you have the right to disagree. I guess we can just agree to disagree.

As for avoiding topics, that is a good suggestion. I actually was interested in seeing what people would say about AE, I didn't foresee it becoming another "Fox didn't give him a chance" thread. I am partially to blame for that since I replied.

[Edward Teach]

Yeah, after I posted I realized that it might seem like I meant that he needed to change the offense to suit AE's abilities. I guess what I am saying is it didn't seem like Fox made the best use of him. Especially for a player that was selected via a trade that gave away a future second round pick. Players who Hurney gave picks away for in the recent past contributed right away: Jeff Otah, Everette Brown...

[chef17]

Yeah, after I posted I realized that it might seem like I meant that he needed to change the offense to suit AE's abilities. I guess what I am saying is it didn't seem like Fox made the best use of him. Especially for a player that was selected via a trade that gave away a future second round pick. Players who Hurney gave picks away for in the recent past contributed right away: Jeff Otah, Everette Brown...

I agree Fox could have used him better. But with AE making the switch and Hurney openly calling him a 2-3 year project, I really don't think anyone should have honestly expected him to get much playing time.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

AE is not an NFL caliber player. Dwayne Jarrett > AE

[YoungPanthers89]

AE is not an NFL caliber player. Dwayne Jarrett > AE

:sad:

[DaveThePanther2008]

It was obvious to me that AE was never going to see the field when we kept signing discarded garbage from other teams. Clowney and D. Thomas . AE could have easily done as much if not more than either on of these two guys.

i thought he didn't have a bad Training Camp He made some good catchse and had some drops but nothing to indicate he couldn't provide a spark. It would have taken 1 pass to AE to change the dynamics of our offense. One pass behind the D-Line and in the second level. Something to make other teams consider what to do if he was on the field. Many felt like I did during training camp.

I am of the belief Fox didn't want to draft AE and he wasn't gonna play him. PERIOD.

[vorbis]

It was obvious to me that AE was never going to see the field when we kept signing discarded garbage from other teams. Clowney and D. Thomas . AE could have easily done as much if not more than either on of these two guys.

i thought he didn't have a bad Training Camp He made some good catchse and had some drops but nothing to indicate he couldn't provide a spark. It would have taken 1 pass to AE to change the dynamics of our offense. One pass behind the D-Line and in the second level. Something to make other teams consider what to do if he was on the field. Many felt like I did during training camp.

I am of the belief Fox didn't want to draft AE and he wasn't gonna play him. PERIOD.

I tend to feel similarly to you. If you're Fox and you're going to get Clowney and Thomas off the waiver wire when your team is obviously not playoff-bound (and even avoid giving them a significant amount of touches in the passing game), and avoid letting your 3rd round pick even get a uniform on game days, then it's about you being stubborn and not about the players on the roster. Even if he's not ready, you want this player to get on the field and get the ball in his hands. It really wouldn't take much scheme or preparation-wise, but it is still apparently too much for Fox to change his offense even in this extreme scenario.

It was always going to be him dictating to Davidson that the offense run when the defense is expecting them to run, until they have to pass when the defense is expecting to pass, and try to do this with 2 and 3 rookies on the field at all times. Oh, and keep the underperforming players in the game no matter what, and keep the other players on the roster sitting on the bench watching it all go wrong, instead of giving them a chance to provide a spark for the team or develop as playmakers. I'm sounding bitter, but you get my point.

Given the kind of self-fulfilling prophecy the Panthers 2010 season became, I wish Edwards had gotten more of a look last season, whether he was ready for it or not.

[Cavscout]

If AE were any good, Fox would have played him. This isn't kindergarten, Fox isn't some spiteful little brat that is going to do something just to piss people off. If Fox was anything while he was here it was professional.

If AE learned to catch...maybe he would have seen the field. If AE could see over the line of scrimmage, which he can't, maybe he would have been in the wildcat formation more. If AE weren't so thin that a defensive back would have broken him in half with one hit...maybe he would have gotten in a game. AE was behind Clowney on the depth chart for a reason...he sucks. If we cut AE today...no other NFL team would sign him. He sucks.

[vorbis]

If AE were any good, Fox would have played him. This isn't kindergarten, Fox isn't some spiteful little brat that is going to do something just to piss people off. If Fox was anything while he was here it was professional.

If AE learned to catch...maybe he would have seen the field. If AE could see over the line of scrimmage, which he can't, maybe he would have been in the wildcat formation more. If AE weren't so thin that a defensive back would have broken him in half with one hit...maybe he would have gotten in a game. AE was behind Clowney on the depth chart for a reason...he sucks. If we cut AE today...no other NFL team would sign him. He sucks.

Unfortunately, I think you are wrong about fox being spiteful this past season. And I don't think Edwards' ability was the only thing keeping him off the field. And I think if the Panthers cut him today, he would be signed quickly by another team that wanted him in the draft. So, I disagree with you. No way to find out who's right about that last point, because the Panthers aren't going to cut him. Not for at least 7 months.

[chef17]

Unfortunately, I think you are wrong about fox being spiteful this past season. And I don't think Edwards' ability was the only thing keeping him off the field. And I think if the Panthers cut him today, he would be signed quickly by another team that wanted him in the draft. So, I disagree with you. No way to find out who's right about that last point, because the Panthers aren't going to cut him. Not for at least 7 months.

Fox may have been spiteful, no way to know. But why would he single out AE. All the rookies on the team and he decided he would take the QB learning to play WR and keep him off the field not because he wasn't ready but out of spite? That just sounds ridiculous

[GoApps70]

This whole season was ridiculous.

Armanti Edwards will start at QB for the Panthers this year and lead us to the playoffs.

Fox didn't know shiiiit from shinola about offense. Hated having AE, who was not his pick. Two WR that had experience at first of year.

I bet AE has better stats than Drew Brees.

[Zod]

AE had 5 months to learn how to catch a punt and run with it and failed. I have little hope for him. Fox started 2 rookies this season at wr. There was no veteran bias for AE to overcome. He simply was not a legit NFL receiver this season.