Steve Reed Says 2012 #1 Pick (If Lockout) Would Go To...

[mav1234]

I just have a hard time believing that Newton will be successful in the NFL. It's hard to tell when you come from those wacky college offense's like Auburn runs.

I understand your concern and you are not alone with it.

Wasn't trying to attack you. Just sayin', you don't need Luck to win a Superbowl.

I guarantee he won't be the only quarterback to win a superbowl during his NFL career. Heard it here first

[Mr. Scot]

Luck was the only prospect in this draft that would have been worth going into this season with three inexperienced quarterbacks.

Minus him, I don't want any QB, not even as low as the seventh round.

Young prospects we've got. We don't need more.

[TheBlackJersey]

I understand your concern and you are not alone with it.

Wasn't trying to attack you. Just sayin', you don't need Luck to win a Superbowl.

I guarantee he won't be the only quarterback to win a superbowl during his NFL career. Heard it here first

He may not even be the only QB from that draft class that wins a ring. Sometimes a non-elite QB can go to an great organization and win it all because they know how to win. Look at Big Ben, he fell to the 11th pick and went to a great organization and is about to maybe win his 3rd ring. My point is we're not close to being an great organization like the Steelers or Patriots so we probably need that elite QB like Luck.

[mav1234]

You seem to think we have a lot invested in both of them, Mr. Scot. Why are you so convinced we would go into camp with 3 young guys if we drafted someone? There is a good chance Pike would get cut. To take a QB this draft you only need to feel he offers you a greater prospect than one of the other two young'ins you have.

He may not even be the only QB from that draft class that wins a ring. Sometimes a non-elite QB can go to an great organization and win it all because they know how to win. Look at Big Ben, he fell to the 11th pick and went to a great organization and is about to maybe win his 3rd ring. My point is we're not close to being an great organization like the Steelers or Patriots so we probably need that elite QB like Luck.

He may not even end up being the best QB drafted in those few years... never know.

[Matthias]

Realistically looking at how things are shaping up, at best there won't be a new CBA until around the start of the regular season. As we all know, you can't just hop off the couch and play football. You need mini-camps, training camps, etc. This is critical time for guys to learn their systems and get conditioned to play. Especially for teams that have new coaches and new systems to install. (Like us for instance) So what is likely going to happen in this scenario is a shortened season, and whoever wins the superbowl here will have an asterisk by their name. In any case, the chances of newly coached teams winning in this situation is close to zero.

After saying all that, and most likely not having any kind of real free agency period going into a shortened season, we might as well not have any football at all. JR prepared this team for a lockout, and by the looks of it, the panthers would be the most successful team coming out of it. So let it happen. Take this time to spend sundays with your families. Get some work done. Too many fans spend their time and lives around football, some pretty much worship it, but only God is deserving of worship. If there is no CBA by the time of the draft or by July, bring on the lockout. Hopefully our players and the rest of the league will stay conditioned throughout and don't go on eating frenzies.

[mav1234]

If there was a full-season lockout and we did pick twice at #1 in a row, the other teams would riot. JR would also look like a brilliant, if insane, owner and you KNOW people would claim he did it intentionally, lol.

[TheBlackJersey]

You seem to think we have a lot invested in both of them, Mr. Scot. Why are you so convinced we would go into camp with 3 young guys if we drafted someone? There is a good chance Pike would get cut. To take a QB this draft you only need to feel he offers you a greater prospect than one of the other two young'ins you have.

He may not even end up being the best QB drafted in those few years... never know.

I think a lot of it has to do with the organization that drafts you. I guarentee Big Ben would have 0 rings right now if the Raiders had drafted him.

[TheBlackJersey]

If there was a full-season lockout and we did pick twice at #1 in a row, the other teams would riot. JR would also look like a brilliant, if insane, owner and you KNOW people would claim he did it intentionally, lol.

Sometimes I wonder if he knew there was going to be a lockout and planned all this to rebuild the team through the draft with great picks. Nahhhhh.....

[Mr. Scot]

You seem to think we have a lot invested in both of them, Mr. Scot. Why are you so convinced we would go into camp with 3 young guys if we drafted someone? There is a good chance Pike would get cut. To take a QB this draft you only need to feel he offers you a greater prospect than one of the other two young'ins you have.

He may not even end up being the best QB drafted in those few years... never know.

We don't know that. Truthfully, we don't know much about Pike or Clausen (we can thank Fox for that).

I can't see the point of giving up on one QB pick after a year - one where we learned nothing about him - just to use another pick on a guy that we literally know nothing about as a pro.

Let the new staff see what they can do with Clausen and/or Pike. Use the other picks on other needs. If we don't find "the guy" this year (and I don't think we will) we're in a better position to try again next year.

[mav1234]

I think a lot of it has to do with the organization that drafts you. I guarentee Big Ben would have 0 rings right now if theRaiders had draft him.

There is some truth in that, and even the greatest QB in the world isn't going to win you Superbowls without help, as we know.

I think too many fans think that you need the best quarterback in the league even to compete, and that is not true. There are potential franchise quarterbacks in every draft, it just depends on how they are developed.

We don't know that. Truthfully, we don't know much about Pike or Clausen (we can thank Fox for that).

I can't see the point of giving up on one QB pick after a year - one where we learned nothing about him - just to use another pick on a guy that we literally know nothing about as a pro.

Let the new staff see what they can do with Clausen and/or Pike. Use the other picks on other needs. If we don't find "the guy" this year (and I don't think we will) we're in a better position to try again next year.

This is just not true. We know plenty about both of them. We know all about Pike's biggest deficiencies, and I guarantee they know if they have been addressed at all, mainly that Pike's arm was too weak to make many of the NFL throws without a lot of effort when he was first drafted. He was a major project and I am sure they know at least some of how he has come along. We also know a lot about Clausen's mechanics, a decent amount about his decision-making ability, and you bet the team knows a lot more about his intangibles than we do. Overall, they know quite a bit about both players, and it is very possible they know enough to make a decision about the likely success of one of them without needing to bring them in with a new staff.

If the right guy falls into place, I expect they would take a QB, but I don't see them forcing a QB pick. Still, this draft is not as depauperate in quarterback talent as some think, it just may not have the single top pick. There is still a good chance that the average number of quarterbacks be taken in the first 2 rounds (I think another poster said it was 4 or so). But since we lack a 2nd, there is little chance we get one of them in that period, but we could end up with someone falling into the 3rd. Never know.

[TheBlackJersey]

There is some truth in that, and even the greatest QB in the world isn't going to win you Superbowls without help, as we know.

I think too many fans think that you need the best quarterback in the league even to compete, and that is not true. There are potential franchise quarterbacks in every draft, it just depends on how they are developed.

We haven't had much success developing QB's here in Carolina.

[mav1234]

We haven't had much success developing QB's here in Carolina.

While true, that just means it's a crapshoot on if we'd be able to develop who we drafted anyway... hopefully this staff has better luck. No matter who we drafted, they would need to be developed. Despite what some posters here seem to think, Luck wasn't going to come in and win a Superbowl as his own OC and quarterbacks coach.

[BBQ&Beer]

1 which is good enough for me. He still has time to win a few more. It's not all about the Super Bowl. It's having a QB that makes it fun to watch the Panthers on Sundays instead of throw s*** at the T.V. like Clausen.

Fran Tarkington would disagree. As would Dan Marino, & Fouts, Vick, McNabb, Merideth, White, etc... every single one of them would gladly give up their signature highlight on ESPN for that ring.

Elway, Theisman, Sims, Manning... & Manning would gladly give up every single defense torching game for one more ring.

Bradshaw, Brady, & Montana would gladly give up all of the babbling to run out of fingers on one hand.

The Panthers are your 1st team aren't they?

[Mr. Scot]

This is just not true. We know plenty about both of them. We know all about Pike's biggest deficiencies, and I guarantee they know if they have been addressed at all, mainly that Pike's arm was too weak to make many of the NFL throws without a lot of effort when he was first drafted. He was a major project and I am sure they know at least some of how he has come along. We also know a lot about Clausen's mechanics, a decent amount about his decision-making ability, and you bet the team knows a lot more about his intangibles than we do. Overall, they know quite a bit about both players, and it is very possible they know enough to make a decision about the likely success of one of them without needing to bring them in with a new staff.

If the right guy falls into place, I expect they would take a QB, but I don't see them forcing a QB pick. Still, this draft is not as depauperate in quarterback talent as some think, it just may not have the single top pick. There is still a good chance that the average number of quarterbacks be taken in the first 2 rounds (I think another poster said it was 4 or so). But since we lack a 2nd, there is little chance we get one of them in that period, but we could end up with someone falling into the 3rd. Never know.

Disagree. We know only how Clausen and Pike functioned under a QB coach that overcomplicated things and a head coach that didnt trust young quarterbacks and did everything he could to limit them.

I'd rather see what Rivera and Shula can do with them before giving up on them.