A non sugar-coated look at Jimmy's season

[rayzor]

I didn't really see Clausen as worse than BSP. BSP had one great throw... that throw was probably the best we've seen all season, from any of our quarterbacks. He also had a couple more that put the game completely and totally out of reach, so whatever.

the fact that there is some debate over whether or not he was better than BSP shows there is a huge problem.

[mav1234]

the fact that there is some debate over whether or not he was better than BSP shows there is a huge problem.

No doubt, lol.

Just saying, I think people were a bit blinded by the Gettis TD.

[TheRealDeal]

No doubt, lol.

Just saying, I think people were a bit blinded by the Gettis TD.

They were blinded by any TD

[CRA]

I didn't really see Clausen as worse than BSP. BSP had one great throw... that throw was probably the best we've seen all season, from any of our quarterbacks. He also had a couple more that put the game completely and totally out of reach, so whatever.

I trashed BSP when they started him...but if watch that game against a good Ravens D.....he played pretty dang good until he imploded late. He really managed the game well and made some smart and sound throws. He had tons of guys in addition to that dropping easy open ones.

Up until his first pick....can you honestly say in any game Clausen showed that kind of sustained play for that long of a period?

[CRA]

No doubt, lol.

Just saying, I think people were a bit blinded by the Gettis TD.

nah, I bashed him when they said they would start him. Go back and read a game thread....BSP actually looked remotely decent prior to the homerun throw. His cast was stalling things and not him often in that game. He was playing pretty smart and efficiently and none of us had seen that in awhile. Game thread, the commentators, everyone was suprised how non retarded he looked......

the implosion at the end is imo what people are focusing on.

[Urrymonster]

I really can't be bothered with this, it's insane at the level you hold him accountable and let others off the hook.

Just like Goodson like with Goodson showing glimpses, there were moments of Clausen showing some fire and placing a few nice throws.

Forget him having the 4th highest drops per attempt, the 2nd highest sacks per drop back and a total of 5 first time starters in 8 positions (2 Wrs, 3 Oline). People say Moore played better, but he also had the best of our veterans on the team, as the only starter he missed was Otah.

We have others saying that Clausen padded his stats in the 4th, when it was actually Moore who did that.

Some claimed that the points matter and that QBs should take some credit even if we run it in, yet the fact that our running game was at it's best with him under centre is completely neglected.

Now you don't even think he deserves 'a shot' at the starting gig, when it's been proven that a rookie year is almost no relation to career, and that a known lame duck coach generally get's poor results.

Clausen had some nice throws and nice games this year, yes they were outweighed by the bad, but he was as good in ratio to Moore and BSP. When every single one of your QBs sucks ass and is CLEARLY the worst in the league (we genuinely had the three worst starting QB seasons), then there HAS to be something else wrong, especially as Moore had shown he can do it.

[rayzor]

i'm not letting anyone off the hook this year. the coaching staff sucked and i called them on it in the same way i have done for years. when smith sucked, i called him on it. when stewart did poorly i called him on it. it goes on and on. in all of those cases there was at least moments that you could see just how good they were if it hadn't already been established that they were very talented. clausen isn't getting the benefit of the doubt from me because i saw nothing good in his play. i saw a couple times when he looked average and that was as good as it got. at best, from what was witnessed, i saw a QB who could be average. sorry, i have higher standards than that.

Now you don't even think he deserves 'a shot' at the starting gig, when it's been proven that a rookie year is almost no relation to career, and that a known lame duck coach generally get's poor results.

i've said over and over that i didn't have the bar set high here. i wasn't expecting him to turn into peyton frikkin manning or anything. i wasn't even expecting him to look as good as flacco or ryan did their rookie years. all i wanted to see was some flashes of how good he could be and he had plenty of moments that he could show his potential. he was able to take advantage of none of them. you can blame some poor performance on the situation and his being a rookie, but not all of it. he should be held accountable for his horrible play and he shouldn't be rewarded with a starting gig. i don't see him as having a leg up on any QB that gets brought in here nor should he have any advantage.

[jks85]

idk, i was just thinking how i really saw very little from clausen to get me excited about his future prospects. almost all rookie starters struggles but the ones who make it tend to have some instances in each game where they show off their talent. don't really recall seeing that w/clausen more than a couple of times the entire season

[iiCaRoLiNa]

Steve Reed has just reported from a high league source that if there is no season due to lockout. The panthers Will get the 1st overall pick next year. Now wouldnt you like to get Fairley,Green or Bowers. And then We get lucky with Mr. Luck. As hard as it is to say this. I want a lockout! Bad!!

[mav1234]

Steve Reed has just reported from a high league source that if there is no season due to lockout. The panthers Will get the 1st overall pick next year. Now wouldnt you like to get Fairley,Green or Bowers. And then We get lucky with Mr. Luck. As hard as it is to say this. I want a lockout! Bad!!

No player is worth a year without football.

[CRA]

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We have others saying that Clausen padded his stats in the 4th, when it was actually Moore who did that.

lol, you don't "pad" your stats w/ garbage yards when you win a game in the 4th q. You pad your stats when teams are giving up short throws b/c they are up by double digits and are letting a QB eat up the clock w/ short stuff.

the Rams game is the only full 4th quarter where he was in a scenario where a team has eased off at the end.

18% of Moore's passing yardage was when the team was down by 9 or more pts.

35% of Clausen's passing yardage was when the team was down by 9 or more pts.

[Cyberjag]

every loss he started can be blamed on him. that doesn't mean others don't get blame w/ him. he clearly was a big part in those losses since he brought nothing to the table each week for the most part and made life tougher on the team.

So here's part two of the question. Did JC shoulder more for the blame for his losses in your mind than Matt Moore and BSP did for theirs?

[Cyberjag]

every loss he started can be blamed on him. that doesn't mean others don't get blame w/ him. he clearly was a big part in those losses since he brought nothing to the table each week for the most part and made life tougher on the team.

If JC loses, blame Jimmy. If MM loses, blame everyone else. Got it.

the fact that there is some debate over whether or not he was better than BSP shows there is a huge problem.

BSP played better than MM too. Did it ever occur to anyone that Baltimore had no film on him at all?

I really can't be bothered with this, it's insane at the level you hold him accountable and let others off the hook.

Just like Goodson like with Goodson showing glimpses, there were moments of Clausen showing some fire and placing a few nice throws.

Forget him having the 4th highest drops per attempt, the 2nd highest sacks per drop back and a total of 5 first time starters in 8 positions (2 Wrs, 3 Oline). People say Moore played better, but he also had the best of our veterans on the team, as the only starter he missed was Otah.

We have others saying that Clausen padded his stats in the 4th, when it was actually Moore who did that.

Some claimed that the points matter and that QBs should take some credit even if we run it in, yet the fact that our running game was at it's best with him under centre is completely neglected.

Now you don't even think he deserves 'a shot' at the starting gig, when it's been proven that a rookie year is almost no relation to career, and that a known lame duck coach generally get's poor results.

Clausen had some nice throws and nice games this year, yes they were outweighed by the bad, but he was as good in ratio to Moore and BSP. When every single one of your QBs sucks ass and is CLEARLY the worst in the league (we genuinely had the three worst starting QB seasons), then there HAS to be something else wrong, especially as Moore had shown he can do it.

You make a lot more sense than CRA.

JC's first game (Cincy) had some promise in it, then he actually looked good vs. New Orleans. A rookie on the road against the defending Super Bowl champs had a chance to win in the final drive, that can't be all bad (unless you choose to pin the entire game on his taking a sack at the end, after DWill took a loss on an ill-advised reverse that brought us out of FG range).

And the very next week, Chicago knocked him silly and he got rattled and concussed, not necessarily in that order, then he missed the next few games until Moore sucked so bad against New Orleans that he had to go back in. I think that it was the Chicago game that caused a lot of people to start scapegoating him for the season, and allowed the haters to pretend that they'd had enough, when they had made up their minds about him before camp.

Next game, again on the road, he does ok against the Bucs, even flashing a couple of nice throws to LaFell late in a scramble to get back in range to threaten a win. Unfortunately, he gave up 10 fourth quarter points to them that put the game out of reach. At least, to listen to everyone blame all the losses on him you would think that was what happened.

Then there's Cleveland, where again on the road he plays ok, not great, but as well as you can expect a rookie. Big mistake on an INT, but late in the game brought us into FG range, then did something to hex Kasay so he missed as time expired, thereby making Clausen responsible for another loss. In that game he also made some nifty throws to LaFell late, showing flashes of someone who can get things done, flashes that are largely ignored by the haters.

Seattle and Atlanta were just bleah games. He just didn't do anything of note at all after a nice first half in Seattle, except throw a pick-6 that helped them rack up a 21 point third quarter. And against Atlanta he seemed like he couldn't do anything.

Then there's Arizona, where he played very well for a rookie, and actually followed the Panthers to a win (let's not let him have credit, that should go to Moore or Pike instead, somehow). Pittsburgh just made him look stupid, and the last game against Atlanta was forgettable until garbage time.

What the hell do you expect from a rookie QB other than to go in, try not to make too many mistakes, and limit the turnovers? He did that, and at times he did more.

[mav1234]

You're not going to convince anyone he showed very much promise, Cyberjag, even if you have some points. People who think he had a decent game or two already exist, but they're not so prevalent, and people who don't think he did won't be changed no matter what you say (no offense intended).

My main issue is I didn't see much improvemet; I actually think his first two games were about as good of games as he had. Arizona was fine and all, and not trying to take it away from him because he did throw a TD there, but I didn't see that performance as any better than Cincy or NO save for the fact it ended in a W... which wasn't all his doing (but again, credit to him for the TD and the win).

My problem with him ultimately came down to the fact I felt like he was playing the same way in every game this season. I also disliked that sure, he tried to limit turnovers, but he committed them anyway and still struggled to get the ball in the endzone. Still, I appreciate he wasn't in the best situation, so I do think he should get another shot in camp this year to earn his starting job.

I just doubt he can do it based on what I saw. It felt like he came in early showing some decent stuff and just plateaued at that level.