A non sugar-coated look at Jimmy's season

[ncbobcat]

False hope. I got a nice beard growing in.

Nice...goatee myself.

[Cyberjag]

When Mike Holmgren announced in January 2008 that he was coaching his last season in Seattle, a team that had won five straight NFC West championships and had six straight playoff appearances won four games. There are all sorts of reasons why the wheels came off, but that sort of thing just seems to happen when coaches are in lame-duck seasons.

But this year, the Panthers had 14 losses that were all Jimmy Clausen's fault.

[rayzor]

When Mike Holmgren announced in January 2008 that he was coaching his last season in Seattle, a team that had won five straight NFC West championships and had six straight playoff appearances won four games. There are all sorts of reasons why the wheels came off, but that sort of thing just seems to happen when coaches are in lame-duck seasons.

But this year, the Panthers had 14 losses that were all Jimmy Clausen's fault.

who is saying they were all jimmy's fault?

[Cyberjag]

Sorry, I thought you were.

So if they weren't ALL his fault, how many of the losses should we blame on him?

[rayzor]

Sorry, I thought you were.

So if they weren't ALL his fault, how many of the losses should we blame on him?

then you aren't paying attention.

blame goes on him and others for the losses, but that isn't my concern.

when i saw him play, i saw nothing positive happen. i didn't see him improve even slightly. i don't care about stats. i saw no reason to place any confidence in him being able to perform at a higher level. as i said before, i wasn't expecting a whole lot from him. the bar was set low. i just wanted to see glimpses of what he could be. i wanted to see him improve in some aspect. that didn't happen. he kept making the same mistakes over and over and over.

all i see are people making excuses for his bad play. he can't take credit for the whole failed season, but a lot of it falls on his incapable shoulders and anyone denying that is blind. the coaching staff shares blame with him for sure, but their failings could just as much be blamed on him as his failings can be blamed on them. i don't think he should be coddled because he was thrown into a crappy situation which is what i see a lot of people doing. he played horribly all season. in his finest moments, as few as they were, he was incredibly mediocre. other players on the team had bright spots. other players grew. just not clausen.

he doesn't deserve a second shot. he didn't earn one. he'll get one by default. things reivera said about him can hardly be seen as a vote of confidence in him. he'll have a chance to compete for the job, but they are going to work to try and get some decent competition in here.

[Urrymonster]

he doesn't deserve a second shot. he didn't earn one. he'll get one by default. things reivera said about him can hardly be seen as a vote of confidence in him. he'll have a chance to compete for the job, but they are going to work to try and get some decent competition in here.

That is a ridiculous notion. That suggests that he openly made the team worse, or was disrupting the team. All I saw was a kid with the whole team on his shoulders, who not once threw his team under the bus and always took the blame for his poor performance. Sure his confidence was gone by the end of the season, but so did a lot of the players.

Let's look at it another way. Goodson was all but checked out of the team once Sutton passed him on the depth chart in '09. Waste of a draft pick people were crying. Now you have some thinking he and Stew will not miss a beat if DWill is not retained. The flip side is Richard Marshall who looked like something special in his first year and has gone on to one of the most criticised players on the team.

You can't write people off or declare them anything after one year. Time and time again has it been proven that young player can truly be judged until his 3rd year. Only if they are consistently out of shape, a locker room nuisance or a headcase do you give up on them.

[CRA]

Sorry, I thought you were.

So if they weren't ALL his fault, how many of the losses should we blame on him?

every loss he started can be blamed on him. that doesn't mean others don't get blame w/ him. he clearly was a big part in those losses since he brought nothing to the table each week for the most part and made life tougher on the team.

[Urrymonster]

every loss he started can be blamed on him. that doesn't mean others don't get blame w/ him. he clearly was a big part in those losses since he brought nothing to the table each week for the most part and made life tougher on the team.

As did Moore and BSP with all their turnovers. All our QBs were equally as poor.

[CRA]

That is a ridiculous notion. That suggests that he openly made the team worse, or was disrupting the team. All I saw was a kid with the whole team on his shoulders, who not once threw his team under the bus and always took the blame for his poor performance. Sure his confidence was gone by the end of the season, but so did a lot of the players.

Let's look at it another way. Goodson was all but checked out of the team once Sutton passed him on the depth chart in '09. Waste of a draft pick people were crying. Now you have some thinking he and Stew will not miss a beat if DWill is not retained. The flip side is Richard Marshall who looked like something special in his first year and has gone on to one of the most criticised players on the team.

You can't write people off or declare them anything after one year. Time and time again has it been proven that young player can truly be judged until his 3rd year. Only if they are consistently out of shape, a locker room nuisance or a headcase do you give up on them.

there is a difference....Goodson had shown glimpses of some legit talent before this season. We knew there was something there.....and he had some talent that could work at this level w/ some work.

Clausen showed nothing....which is what the defenders ignore when they try to compare him to other guys who survived early rough spots.

[jks85]

given the nature of the playcalling (lots of short passing) and the significant influence qbs have on their sack rates (awareness, stepping up, getting rid of the ball, etc), i think it's unfair to the line to say clausen was dead to rights b/c of their poor play. the blame definitely goes both ways

[jks85]

lol how did clausen have the whole team on his shoulders

edit: w/a run heavy offense and a passing game designed for him not to screw up

[CRA]

As did Moore and BSP with all their turnovers. All our QBs were equally as poor.

They all played poorly.....and W/L is what football is about. All 3 didn't bring the same ability and potential as a QB into the games. All played poorly.....Clausen was the worst. Not sure why so many people have an issue w/ that reality. Clausen was the worst of all the bad QBs we saw this year ( I don't count Pike).

[rayzor]

most certainly is not a ridiculous notion. what did he do to show he deserves a second shot? can you say he earned one? it only suggests that there was nothing positive that came from his play. there was no growth that took place. the only reason he is getting another shot is because there is a lack of decent options. he shouldn't be given the reigns or be allowed to go in even penciled in as the starter. he should be put on at the most equal billing with any other option that gets brought in.

btw, he did make the team worse than it was. he wasn't the only problem, but he was a HUGE part of it and it can't all be blamed on his being a rookie or the coaches or the oline or his recievers.

btw...goodson showed some real glimpses of how talented he was as a rookie. there just wasn't any consistency. with clausen you couldn't see anything. goodson by far deserved more of a chance than clausen did.

That is a ridiculous notion. That suggests that he openly made the team worse, or was disrupting the team. All I saw was a kid with the whole team on his shoulders, who not once threw his team under the bus and always took the blame for his poor performance. Sure his confidence was gone by the end of the season, but so did a lot of the players.

Let's look at it another way. Goodson was all but checked out of the team once Sutton passed him on the depth chart in '09. Waste of a draft pick people were crying. Now you have some thinking he and Stew will not miss a beat if DWill is not retained. The flip side is Richard Marshall who looked like something special in his first year and has gone on to one of the most criticised players on the team.

You can't write people off or declare them anything after one year. Time and time again has it been proven that young player can truly be judged until his 3rd year. Only if they are consistently out of shape, a locker room nuisance or a headcase do you give up on them.

[mav1234]

I didn't really see Clausen as worse than BSP. BSP had one great throw... that throw was probably the best we've seen all season, from any of our quarterbacks. He also had a couple more that put the game completely and totally out of reach, so whatever.