A positive spin on Clausen

[rayzor]

Youll never convince the haters MHS.

But it's fun to troll them...

can't be nearly as fun as watching people scramble to make lame excuses for him. it's as much fun as making a cat chase a laser pointer into a wall.

[CRA]

I think that you mean we averaged a TD by a WR in the end zone. And you would be correct. But it sounds like you've reduced your argument to that of "If a QB throws a TD to a WR, he's good, otherwise, he's not" and that's absurd.

We only had two games all year where we had good QB play--Zona and San Fran. One good game by JC, one by MM. The rest were very forgettable (although JC had a valiant effort in NO). And our receiver play was just plain bad all year. You can blame the QB, but look at the dropped balls first. It's not all their fault. And they dropped them on everyone. Don't forget, Moore's numbers were just as bad as Jimmy's, he just threw the ball to WRs instead of TEs.

And focusing on the WR production should also get you thinking about the offensive system we ran. WRs have rarely thrived in it in the first place, right?

JC had a bad year, all our QBs did. I expect that both he and Pike will improve. A lot.

Every offense is different. In Fox's offense....you run and go playaction (and the focus is clearly on the WR). So in this offense, the fact all Clausen couldn't do it with all the absurd reps he got does mean something.

Clausen threw 0 TDs to WRs. Every TD scored by a WR came from either Moore or BSP. Clausen got signicantly more reps and work to just 1 time get a WR into the endzone.

I actually think BSP overall looked better in his loss than Clausen in his win. Yes, BSP imploded at the end.....but up until that point he made the throws and controlled things very well.

Steve Smith has always thrived in it. No matter the coverage.....give him remotely average QB play and he is productive. He was productive w/ Moore in 2010 and 2009. He was very productive in 2008 when Jake was somewhat average. Clausen just ignored him and frustrated him. The result is a mentally checked out Steve Smith (and if you at least give Smith hope he stays mentally checked in like in 09).

[koolkatluke]

At this point what Clausen did or didn't do in 2010 is really water under the bridge. Honestly beating it up makes little sense. He is going to be here for 3 more years and will get a chance to play under new management. There will also be competition from at least 1 veteran for the spot.

Is there really anymore to say that hasn't been said?

Seems to me that the same people go back and forth page after page and little if any new information will come to light. Bottom line is that the only issue is what the new coaches think of him and that will be detemined in the next 6 months. I doubt this post will change anything but I am not alone in thinking that this back and forth is a waste of time.

With that said I will get off my soapbox. LOL

I agree with P55 like it or not the kid has atleast 2-3 more years and will get another shot. So let's atleast hope Cyberjag is right.

[rayzor]

we don't have to be stuck with him, but it sure would make it easy if he could turn the corner into a good QB. i just don't think it's going to happen and i really don't think the team should be acting like it will. they have to start getting a plan B in place for the most likely event that he will continue to suck.

he did nothing at all to make himself look like a capable QB. he is only still in the conversation at all because he just happened to be in a tough situation. even in the most ideal of situations i doubt he would have looked competive. fox being in lame duck mode only gave him an an easy and built in excuse.

[CRA]

we don't have to be stuck with him, but it sure would make it easy if he could turn the corner into a good QB. i just don't think it's going to happen and i really don't think the team should be acting like it will. they have to start getting a plan B in place for the most likely event that he will continue to suck.

he did nothing at all to make himself look like a capable QB. he is only still in the conversation at all because he just happened to be in a tough situation. even in the most ideal of situations i doubt he would have looked competive. fox being in lame duck mode only gave him an an easy and built in excuse.

if you are Rivera coming in fresh...I think you gotta be looking for a plan A. I think Clausen realistically will be his plan B.

[mav1234]

Those numbers say that when the rushing game got better, so did Jimmy. And if you want to take the entire list of things working against him that I posted and throw everything out but my comment on the ground game, go ahead. It says a lot about how desperate you are to make a point, and little else.

I never said Clausen came into a good situation, just that he had a good run game by the end of the year. I didn't expect a ton from Clausen but I was looking for more improvement than what we saw.

[rayzor]

if you are Rivera coming in fresh...I think you gotta be looking for a plan A. I think Clausen realistically will be his plan B.

agreed and he kind of is with luck deciding to stay in school. only reason we will probably be sticking with him is because of a lack of better options.

[CRA]

agreed and he kind of is with luck deciding to stay in school. only reason we will probably be sticking with him is because of a lack of better options.

I think a Volek will likely start for us all next season. Probably bring in some other young guys to compete w/ Clausen in practice all year.

A decent QB (not good), good running attack, and his D.....Carolina can compete until they find a future QB. I mean, Chud is going to be miles better than Davidson as well.

[rayzor]

I think a Volek will likely start for us all next season. Probably bring in some other young guys to compete w/ Clausen in practice all year.

A decent QB (not good), good running attack, and his D.....Carolina can compete until they find a future QB. I mean, Chud is going to be miles better than Davidson as well.

that would suck and would probably still keep us in the top 5 draft picks.

he isn't a good (or even decent) QB. he isn't even average. he's an old QB that could never score a starting gig for a reason.

[CRA]

that would suck and would probably still keep us in the top 5 draft picks.

he isn't a good (or even decent) QB. he isn't even average. he's an old QB that could never score a starting gig for a reason.

I don't think we would suck. I mean, you really think Moore at the end of 2009 or Jake in 2008 gave us signicantly better QB play than what a Volek could do??

Lean on the ground game and D......you just can't afford pathetic QB play. Plus, I said like a Volek. We just need a QB that can do the basics while we figure out the QB scenario imo. When healthy this team ain't in bad shape outside of QB. The rest of the cast has done pretty well w/ really bad coaching on top of that.

[rayzor]

the thing is, they want a lot more from their passing game than just getting by and not making mistakes. plus, i just don't see them going old at QB considering what they have been trying to do.

looking for a stop gap is a bad idea, imo. i would rather just try and find someone that can grow into a good QB and let them learn the job on the job. find several younger QBs in the offseason and let them battle it out in TC. if none of them pan out, draft one early next year. w/ luck and barkley coming out we would have a better chance to get that franchise QB we have been needing for so long.

[CRA]

the thing is, they want a lot more from their passing game than just getting by and not making mistakes. plus, i just don't see them going old at QB considering what they have been trying to do.

looking for a stop gap is a bad idea, imo. i would rather just try and find someone that can grow into a good QB and let them learn the job on the job. find several younger QBs in the offseason and let them battle it out in TC. if none of them pan out, draft one early next year. w/ luck and barkley coming out we would have a better chance to get that franchise QB we have been needing for so long.

a stop gap has to be better than another year of Clausen, doesn't?

I guess we could draft a QB and find a Matt Moore type guy to bring in (I guess where he was in 2009) and let them go at it.

[rayzor]

a stop gap has to be better than another year of Clausen, doesn't?

I guess we could draft a QB and find a Matt Moore type guy to bring in (I guess where he was in 2009) and let them go at it.

honestly i don't love the idea of a stop gap guy at all. i would rather work to finding a real solution and getting him in the game. let him learn on the job. i think we have enough of the right pieces in place to see some success from a rookie QB and what few we lack we can easily aqcuire in the offseason.

i also honestly believe that many of the other rookie QBs who have started the past few years would have had more success with this team than clausen had.

[SCP]

Frank Garcia and Mushin Muhammad both think it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY we bring in a vet QB as a "rent-a-QB' for a season. Said it on their show yesterday. They think Clausen is our guy.

Just their $.02