Vince Young a possibility/opportunity for us perhaps???

[diehard panther#1]

Alright make it 8 out of 10 then. Miscalculation. Still great numbers and a great consistent run to bring the team back from 0-6. The point still remains he has proven himself to be a reliable, consistent winner.

And despite his drama, with little time he played in 2010, his QB rating actually improved.

I don't care what you say, but you have to give a guy some credit that can go in to work while hating his "boss" and his boss hating him, having personal issues and STILL be able to perform like that. That's not exactly a sign of mental instability.

That shows me he's a guy that can overcome obstacles and still do the job.

:iagree:I believe vince young would be a great addition to this team.Fisher is a doushe bag anyway.

[PantherFanForLife]

1. I've never heard a single NFL person say anything other that this was VY's fault, and he is a headcase. I wasn't even aware this was disputed.

2. What abilities does he have? Have those abilities ever led to success? Has anyone with similar abilities had any success?

On your number 2 point I'm not going to repeat myself. I have stated it over and over for the past 6 pages. On the first issue, do your research. There are plenty of people, including fans on the Titans board that have criticized Fisher over how he's handled his team, the QB issue, benching and a lot of other things.

Google is your friend.

[diehard panther#1]

1. I've never heard a single NFL person say anything other that this was VY's fault, and he is a headcase. I wasn't even aware this was disputed.

2. What abilities does he have? Have those abilities ever led to success? Has anyone with similar abilities had any success?

You watch to much ESPN.Theirs plenty of head cases in the NFL.Abilities,VY is a QB in the NFL,The steelers QB BIG BEN he's one hell of a head case,but seems to be doing alright,doun't see all the media hipe about ben?NO ONE IS PERFECT,BUT I GUESS YOU ARE.:nopity:

[KJDaniel31]

On your number 2 point I'm not going to repeat myself. I have stated it over and over for the past 6 pages. On the first issue, do your research. There are plenty of people, including fans on the Titans board that have criticized Fisher over how he's handled his team, the QB issue, benching and a lot of other things.

Google is your friend.

Thats the thing...I take the word of NFL execs, scouts, talent evaluators and the like over Joe Blow Titan fan. They have been clear....VY is a headcase.

As to the 2nd....it REALLY doesnt bother you that no running QB has ever won a title? I just find it hard to believe you honestly would rather be mediocre than at least make an attempt to win a SB. I'm not saying Clausen or Pike will win one, but at least they are pocket passers, with above average intelligence, and they have a chance. I have a good friend who was on the training staff at UT when VY was there, and he says he would be shocked if Vince could pass a 6th grade spelling test.

[KJDaniel31]

You watch to much ESPN.Theirs plenty of head cases in the NFL.Abilities,VY is a QB in the NFL,The steelers QB BIG BEN he's one hell of a head case,but seems to be doing alright,doun't see all the media hipe about ben?NO ONE IS PERFECT,BUT I GUESS YOU ARE.:nopity:

Roth isn't a "headcase" like VY is...he just has zero morals and is a complete idiot, thinking no means he can do what he wants. His talents are light years ahead of VY's, and even though I can't stand him personally, his abilities translate in the NFL. It's apples and oranges.

It's high comedy that not wanting your team to employ a mentally unstable worthless QB (as a starter) = I am claiming I'm perfect. If being perfect is the barometer to taking a stance against something, we should probably release every criminal in America. I don't "judge" the guy (whatever that means) but an intelligent human can see what he is about.

For the record, I have no interest in a repeated rapist being employed by my team either.

[bleys]

VY couldn't sniff Rothlisberger's jock strap, he is the closest thing to clutch you'll see since Tom Brady's early days... here's the thing, he actually scores points to win Superbowls, unlike Brady...

[diehard panther#1]

The only jock strap BIG BEN should be smelling is bubba in federal state pen.:smash:

[riddel]

Fisher is a doushe bag anyway.

Why do you say that?

[PantherFanForLife]

VY couldn't sniff Rothlisberger's jock strap, he is the closest thing to clutch you'll see since Tom Brady's early days... here's the thing, he actually scores points to win Superbowls, unlike Brady...

We're not arguing Ben's abilities compared to VY. Ben's not available. VY may very well be.

BTW, even if Ben's a better QB that doesn't make his offenses or crimes less severe in the real world. Just his punishment for them....unfortunately.

[PantherFanForLife]

Roth isn't a "headcase" like VY is...he just has zero morals and is a complete idiot, thinking no means he can do what he wants. His talents are light years ahead of VY's, and even though I can't stand him personally, his abilities translate in the NFL. It's apples and oranges.

It's high comedy that not wanting your team to employ a mentally unstable worthless QB (as a starter) = I am claiming I'm perfect. If being perfect is the barometer to taking a stance against something, we should probably release every criminal in America. I don't "judge" the guy (whatever that means) but an intelligent human can see what he is about.

For the record, I have no interest in a repeated rapist being employed by my team either.

Oh, is that all?.............that's so much better!

:rolleyes5:

Any guy that inherits a team at 0-6, and wins the final 8-10 to bring the team at least respectable by the end of the season is not worthless.

In fact he probably saved Fisher's job that year. But Fisher didn't exactly return that favor last year when he benched him for having a bad day, the second game of the season after winning the first.

Sorry but I would consider that coach disloyal homer! Even Matt Moore got 2 bad games with us this past year before getting benched and he didn't go 8-10, nor did he win the season opener.

[KJDaniel31]

Oh, is that all?.............that's so much better!

:rolleyes5:

Any guy that inherits a team at 0-6, and wins the final 8-10 to bring the team at least respectable by the end of the season is not worthless.

In fact he probably saved Fisher's job that year. But Fisher didn't exactly return that favor last year when he benched him for having a bad day, the second game of the season after winning the first.

Sorry but I would consider that coach disloyal homer! Even Matt Moore got 2 bad games with us this past year before getting benched and he didn't go 8-10, nor did he win the season opener.

Perhaps you are misunderstanding....I'm not claiming Moore or Clausen or Pike is better than him now, nor am I claiming they ever will be. Vince could likely lead us to more wins this year than any of our QBs on staff right now, and could be solid, perhaps decent for several years....much better than it looks right now for our QBs. I hold out hope for Clausen, but I admit I'm a Jimmy homer, but I am realistic enough to admit that Jimmy's odds of being a good QB are dwindling. None of this is my point.

My point is that Vince is a great backup QB IF you want to win a championship. No QB with his skills has ever succeeded in the playoffs, and given his track record for earning little respect from people who know, I doubt he will be the first. Is there a chance? Yes, there is a first time for everything. I just have no interest in wasting years when the chance is so small. Look, I LOVED Clausen coming out of the draft, but if he goes through another 5-6 games into the season without showing progress, I say he is done as a focal point of our QB future. Could Jimmy STINK this year and still be a Rich Gannon? Sure, but the chances are so slim, I dont wanna waste the time. IF we are 0-6 and he is playing poorly....I say we start him the rest of the year, take Luck, and now we at worst have a franchise QB and a backup with experience. I wouldnt mind a Dennis Dixon/Seneca Wallace type backup either. However, if your goal is to win a title, you have to have a smart pocket passer. Of your goal is to go 8-8, Vince is your man,

[chef17]

Perhaps you are misunderstanding....I'm not claiming Moore or Clausen or Pike is better than him now, nor am I claiming they ever will be. Vince could likely lead us to more wins this year than any of our QBs on staff right now, and could be solid, perhaps decent for several years....much better than it looks right now for our QBs. I hold out hope for Clausen, but I admit I'm a Jimmy homer, but I am realistic enough to admit that Jimmy's odds of being a good QB are dwindling. None of this is my point.

My point is that Vince is a great backup QB IF you want to win a championship. No QB with his skills has ever succeeded in the playoffs, and given his track record for earning little respect from people who know, I doubt he will be the first. Is there a chance? Yes, there is a first time for everything. I just have no interest in wasting years when the chance is so small. Look, I LOVED Clausen coming out of the draft, but if he goes through another 5-6 games into the season without showing progress, I say he is done as a focal point of our QB future. Could Jimmy STINK this year and still be a Rich Gannon? Sure, but the chances are so slim, I dont wanna waste the time. IF we are 0-6 and he is playing poorly....I say we start him the rest of the year, take Luck, and now we at worst have a franchise QB and a backup with experience. I wouldnt mind a Dennis Dixon/Seneca Wallace type backup either. However, if your goal is to win a title, you have to have a smart pocket passer. Of your goal is to go 8-8, Vince is your man,

Actually at worst we have two bust QBs. No guarantee Luck is a franchise QB

[Panther59]

As to the 2nd....it REALLY doesnt bother you that no running QB has ever won a title?

Not saying that VY is the guy that will eventually lead us back to the SB, but your wrong that no quote, unquote, "running" QB has ever won a title. Just off the top of my head here but:

Exhibit A: Steve Young- labled a bust by many, had a really good arm, but was also able to make huge plays with his legs too. He actually holds some records for that by the way.

Most Rushing TD's by a QB (Career): 43

Most Rushing Yards by a QB (Postseason Career): 594

Most Rushing TD's by a QB (Postseason Career): 8

He led the 49'ers to Superbowl XXIX and won. He also holds the distinction of being ranked #2 on the NFL Network's list of all time great "mobile" QB's to ever play in the NFL, right inbetween Randall Cunningham and Fran Tarkenton.

The list of other mobile, or QB's that could make plays with their ability to run the football that either led their team to or won the SB is actually rather long. Here are a few more of them just for shits and giggles:

* Joe Theissman - Superbowls XVII and XVIII

* Fran Tarkenton - Superbowls VIII, IX, and XI

* Roger Staubach - Superbowls VI, X, XII, and XIII

* Donovan McNabb - Superbowl XXXIX

Disclaimer: Before you go arguing with me about it, I in no way shape or form believe that Vince Young is as good or will ever be as good as Steve Young or any of these other QB's, I am just stating that a QB that could run, and run really well mind you, has indeed been to and won a SB before. :seeya:

[PantherFanForLife]

Perhaps you are misunderstanding....I'm not claiming Moore or Clausen or Pike is better than him now, nor am I claiming they ever will be. Vince could likely lead us to more wins this year than any of our QBs on staff right now, and could be solid, perhaps decent for several years....much better than it looks right now for our QBs. I hold out hope for Clausen, but I admit I'm a Jimmy homer, but I am realistic enough to admit that Jimmy's odds of being a good QB are dwindling. None of this is my point.

My point is that Vince is a great backup QB IF you want to win a championship. No QB with his skills has ever succeeded in the playoffs, and given his track record for earning little respect from people who know, I doubt he will be the first. Is there a chance? Yes, there is a first time for everything. I just have no interest in wasting years when the chance is so small. Look, I LOVED Clausen coming out of the draft, but if he goes through another 5-6 games into the season without showing progress, I say he is done as a focal point of our QB future. Could Jimmy STINK this year and still be a Rich Gannon? Sure, but the chances are so slim, I dont wanna waste the time. IF we are 0-6 and he is playing poorly....I say we start him the rest of the year, take Luck, and now we at worst have a franchise QB and a backup with experience. I wouldnt mind a Dennis Dixon/Seneca Wallace type backup either. However, if your goal is to win a title, you have to have a smart pocket passer. Of your goal is to go 8-8, Vince is your man,

Are you sure you are a Panthers fan? Jake Delhomme had more skillz than VY?

And yeah, I personally never buy into any of the "no team, no qb, no wr has ever......." statements. A dozen or more of those are proven wrong every single year. Hence the GM Never say Never commercials.

Prior to this year, no team with a losing record has ever made the playoffs either in a full season year.

Going from what decent FA we can take on as a QB this year to us winning a Superbowl with him is so far apart I can't even begin to fathom it in my head. There are thousands of minutes of football that's played in a year, every year, each minute with their own thousands of possible outcomes that has a lot more to do with a team going to a Superbowl than who the Panthers take on as a FA in 2011 to play QB.

Please no more talk of how us taking a FA QB this year is going to affect our chances in going to the Superbowl. Talk to me about that the week before our next NFC championship game.

Right now I'm simply interested in what QB will be a day 1 starter to open our season in 2011 if there's even a season. VY is one of those guys. Clausen, Moore are just big question marks, and at least as of right now, are NOT the answer.

I swear you guys act as if there's actually a guy out there that you can take that you can really say...ok now that we got him, we're going to the Superbowl! The reality is even if you had the first round pick every single year for the past 5 years and bought every top FA in the NFL for the past 5 years you STILL don't know if you can make the Superbowl.