Vince Young a possibility/opportunity for us perhaps???

[PantherFanForLife]

Wrong. He's plenty confident. And he can be a leader, but he hasn't "earned the right" yet.

First minicamp I attended this year, I gabbed with Matt Moore for a minute or so. One of the things I told him was "Just remember that the coach can make you the starter, but it’s up to you to become the leader." He appreciated that. Didn't have the chance to tell Clausen that, but it would have applied equally to him.

Just because you can do something doesn't guarantee that you will.

Plenty confident when? Off the field? He didn't look confident on that field at all this past year, and he looked exactly like you said he wouldn't on the field: awe-struck, deer in the headlights.

All those fumbled snaps? I don't actually believe it has all that to do with his small hands like people like to say about him. I attribute that to him being nervous causing him to make mental errors.

[PantherFanForLife]

One important thing to note about Clausen is that he did show significant improvement in college through his years. While I think it's a remote possibility, the possibility does exist that could happen here, too, especially with a staff change.

Still have huge concerns about him but trying to be optimistic since he's going to be here no matter what happens in the draft.

Well you know my stance on him. Jury's still out for another 2 years. I can only judge him as a rookie in his first year and say he performed below average even for a rookie, which was disappointing.

But that doesn't make him a bust as an NFL player or career QB. It will take another 2 years before anyone can really do a valid evaluation of Jimmy Clausen. The only thing I can say is that I expected greater improvement over his first year, but as it stands he's still not a starting QB at the moment.

Like I said a couple of weeks ago unless a miracle happens in the off-season he's starting 2011 on the bench if there is a 2011 season. The only way Jimmy gets prepared is if he expedites his training by taking on a full time personal training beginning now and starts training NOW just FOR training camp. Then train some more.

Otherwise it will be 2012 before he will be ready to start and truly be evaluated.

[House]

Hey, I just wanted everyone to know that I am a fuging retard. Sometimes late at night I dream that I am 6 years old and piss into a gumball machine, it always turns into my bed. This makes me sad.

Nobody should take me seriously because I have no idea what I am saying but feel that everyone should listen to my idiocy.

Great post, honesty is the best policy.

[Mr. Scot]

Plenty confident when? Off the field? He didn't look confident on that field at all this past year, and he looked exactly like you said he wouldn't on the field: awe-struck, deer in the headlights.

All those fumbled snaps? I don't actually believe it has all that to do with his small hands like people like to say about him. I attribute that to him being nervous causing him to make mental errors.

I think you're seeing what you want to see here.

Clausen was still slinging right up to the end, and even managed to win a game as a starter, but in those last few games we were hopelessly outmatched.

Still, he didn't give up, and that guy who, as soon as he heard the new QB coach was hired gave an online commitment to get to work? He still has plenty of confidence in himself.

If I worry about anything, it's that he might just have more confidence in himself than is actually warranted.

But see, that's also true of another quarterback that's out there...

[PantherFanForLife]

You're seeing what you want to see here.

Clausen was still slinging right up to the end, and even managed to win a game as a starter, but in those last few games we were hopelessly outmatched.

Still, he didn't give up, and that guy who, as soon as he heard the new QB coach was hired gave an online commitment to get to work? He still has plenty of confidence in himself. If I worry about anything, it's that he might just have more confidence in himself than is actually warranted.

But see, that's also true of another quarterback that's out there...

No I'm seeing what the majority of people saw that watched him play and didn't have some kind of agenda to really want to see Clausen become the franchise QB of this team.

And LOL! Vince has a reason to be confident. He went on a 9 out of 11 game winning streak, can pass in any direction and at any distance down field, hits his targets, has 98.6 QB rating and CAN RUN THE BALL!

Again your bias is clear and laughably beyond any further need for argument. Can't believe you would actually try to relate the two.

[Mr. Scot]

One important thing to note about Clausen is that he did show significant improvement in college through his years. While I think it's a remote possibility, the possibility does exist that could happen here, too, especially with a staff change.

Still have huge concerns about him but trying to be optimistic since he's going to be here no matter what happens in the draft.

Clausen is definitely here this season. Whether or not he's here beyond that depends on his results. Yes, he might fail, but everyone shouldn't go into this season assuming that he will.

Bottom line though: If he does fail, we need a Rodney Peete, a guy who can be serviceable and reliable but doesn't have to be anything special.

The best candidate I can see for that role right now is Billy Volek. David Garrard and Marc Bulger could be options too. Maybe Shaun Hill too, but I'd prefer someone with a little more experience under his belt.

Whoever it is, it's gotta be a guy that carries as little risk as possible.

[PantherFanForLife]

Clausen is definitely here this season. Whether or not he's here beyond that depends on his results. Yes, he might fail, but everyone shouldn't go into this season assuming that he will.

Bottom line though: If he does fail, we need a Rodney Peete, a guy who can be serviceable and reliable but doesn't have to be anything special.

The best candidate I can see for that role right now is Billy Volek. David Garrard and Marc Bulger could be options too. Maybe Shaun Hill too, but I'd prefer someone with a little more experience under his belt.

Whoever it is, it's gotta be a guy that carries as little risk as possible.

Why exactly do we need as little risk as possible? I thought everyone got fed up with that under Fox.

It's not like we have a playoff caliber team and all we need is a game managing QB to get through the season and make the playoffs. Forget that, what we do need IS to take some risks.

What exactly are we protecting for us not to want risks? We were the worst team in the NFL! You cannot go any lower than that.

Maybe you are talking about us not wanting to risk our first draft pick next year.......

[Mr. Scot]

No I'm seeing what the majority of people saw that watched him play and didn't have some kind of agenda to really want to see Clausen become the franchise QB of this team.

And LOL! Vince has a reason to be confident. He went on a 9 out of 11 game winning streak, can pass in any direction and at any distance down field, hits his targets, has 98.6 QB rating and CAN RUN THE BALL!

Again your bias is clear and laughably beyond any further need for argument. Can't believe you would actually try to relate the two.

Read the post above and this one and then try again to say, with any credibility, that I really want to see Jimmy Clausen be the franchise QB here :frown2:

And for whatever their athletic differences, one thing Clausen can say for himself is that his head coach didn't go to the owner and say "we have got to get rid of this whack job".

He may not last beyond this year, but as far as this year is concerned, I'd have a lot more confidence that he'll be on the roster than Vince Young.

[cdandi1]

hope exists in clausen because there isn't a better option out there.

[Carolinator]

Vince Young is not coming to Carolina.

/Thread.

[Mr. Scot]

Why exactly do we need as little risk as possible? I thought everyone got fed up with that under Fox.

It's not like we have a playoff caliber team and all we need is a game managing QB to get through the season and make the playoffs. Forget that, what we do need IS to take some risks.

What exactly are we protecting for us not to want risks? We were the worst team in the NFL! You cannot go any lower than that.

Maybe you are talking about us not wanting to risk our first draft pick next year.......

Seriously?

(let's try this again)

We go into this season with the presumptive starter being a guy that's something of a risk.

Because of that, his backup needs to be a guy that's less of a risk.

By nature, that also means he'll be less of a reward, but that's what you want in a backup when your starter is a youngster.

[PantherFanForLife]

Read the post above and this one and then try again to say, with any credibility, that I really want to see Jimmy Clausen be the franchise QB here :frown2:

And for whatever their athletic differences, one thing Clausen can say for himself is that his head coach didn't go to the owner and say "we have got to get rid of this whack job".

He may not last beyond this year, but as far as this year is concerned, I'd have a lot more confidence that he'll be on the roster than Vince Young.

Actually you don't really know that. And even if it was.......is there a point? Confidence that he will be on the roster?

Who cares? Do you have confidence that he can WIN more games than VY? All you are doing is a piss poor job of wiggling yourself out of having to admit something even you can't argue against....Vince Young would outplay and outscore Jimmy Clausen and ultimately gives us the better chance to -here it comes - WIN!

[PantherFanForLife]

Seriously?

(let's try this again)

We go into this season with the presumptive starter being a guy that's something of a risk.

Because of that, his backup needs to be a guy that's less of a risk.

By nature, that also means he'll be less of a reward, but that's what you want in a backup when your starter is a youngster.

Your presumption is kind of a hail mary pass. I hate to break it to you but we are not going to sign a back-up for Jimmy Clausen.

Did you not even listen to Rivera's press conference? Read between the lines...."I have been lucky to be behind a franchise QB in Phillip Rivers...we need to find out if we have a guy on this roster that can be a franchise QB"

Does that sound like an endorsment to you?

[mav1234]

Sounds like someone is undecided, which means competition in camp.

Doesn't sound like someone who is going to go out and grab someone who will demand to start, though.