Vince Young a possibility/opportunity for us perhaps???

[mav1234]

Found the origin of it, was on WFNZ, no link, just a radio thing.

From Catman72 on Page 6:

For the record, Beason was asked on WFNZ about anybody he'd like to see the Panthers bring in and the first name he came up with was Vince Young, said the guy was a winner and just because he had issues there doesn't mean he would have issues here...

He also mentioned McNabb, said he thought McNabb's problems in DC were more about a personality conflict then poor play.

[TheBlackJersey]

God forbid Beason makes sense and cares about what YOU should care about too! WINNING!

PS: If by early you mean 2010 and 2009...then yeah Vince Young did win games in those years! And here's a tip: players follow players because they WIN. Winning is the quickest path to leadership and earning the respect of your teammates in the NFL.

I do care about WINNING! I would just like us to win 10-12 games every year like the teams with franchise QB's instead of every 2-3 with a mediocre QB like we did with Jake. You should care about what's best for the team long term. VY is not the QB of the future here in Carolina.

[mav1234]

am I the only one worried about what would happen with VY if he somehow DIDN'T win the starting job, or lost it mid way through the season? =|

[TheBlackJersey]

am I the only one worried about what would happen with VY if he somehow DIDN'T win the starting job, or lost it mid way through the season? =|

"Watch out Sir Purr, I hear VY is looking for someone to put in the hospital."

[PantherFanForLife]

I do care about WINNING! I would just like us to win 10-12 games every year like the teams with franchise QB's instead of every 2-3 with a mediocre QB like we did with Jake. You should care about what's best for the team long term. VY is not the QB of the future here in Carolina.

LOL. Dude you act is if there actually even exists a QB prospect out there that's NOT named Tom Brady or Payton Manning that you could even begin talking like that when it comes to the future.

Who in the world can you actually say would come in here and win 10-12 game every year? And even with a guy like Brady or Manning, I'd still keep my money before betting this team would win 10-12 games every year.

But for the record, VY won 9 out of the final 11 games in 2009 and even after last year he has a QB rating of 98.6!

[Matthias]

am I the only one worried about what would happen with VY if he somehow DIDN'T win the starting job, or lost it mid way through the season? =|

Smitty would break his nose.

[PantherFanForLife]

am I the only one worried about what would happen with VY if he somehow DIDN'T win the starting job, or lost it mid way through the season? =|

What? What would happen that would be SOOOOO HORRIBLE? At worst he would have another breakdown throw his pads in the crowd and we bench him and get rid of him or he blows his head off and we don't have to?

Seriously? What exactly would happen that is just soooo scary? We might lose a game? Versus us certainly losing a lot more with a guy like Clausen?

You guys act like if he did end up being a nutcase and seriously caused problems on this team we would be stuck with him forever. We still have the option of bencing/firing/releasing players you know. Just because we would sign VY doesn't mean we have to build a permanent mental health clinic and take care of him for the rest of his life.

PS: And for the record any of those two events in the first paragraph above would be far more entertaining to watch on Sunday, or on Sunday night news, than Clausen fumbling 3-4 snaps a game.

[mav1234]

What? What would happen that would be SOOOOO HORRIBLE? At worst he would have another breakdown throw his pads in the crowd and we bench him and get rid of him or he blows his head off and we don't have to?

Seriously? What exactly would happen that is just soooo scary? We might lose a game? Versus us certainly losing a lot more with a guy like Clausen?

You guys act like if he did end up being a nutcase and seriously caused problems on this team we would be stuck with him forever. We still have the option of bencing/firing/releasing players you know. Just because we would sign VY doesn't mean we have to build a permanent mental health clinic and take care of him for the rest of his life.

so let me get this straight.

you want us to sign Vince Young, but for cheap enough and with so little investment we can just discard him if he goes off the deep end? You... actually think that is possible?

Did you read about his latest interview?

[PantherFanForLife]

so let me get this straight.

you want us to sign Vince Young, but for cheap enough and with so little investment we can just discard him if he goes off the deep end? You... actually think that is possible?

Did you read about his latest interview?

I'm sorry but I actually believe that to be a "worst case scenario" not a certainty like most. I don't think we would discard him. I'm just saying...worst case.....what would happen that's so terrible?

And all contracts come with performance incentives and clauses. I'm sure blowing your head off....or doing something so stupid you get kicked off the team would have an effect on the obligation of your employer to your contract.

In all seriousness all this talk about suicide is blown WAAAY out of proportion. Thankfully I don't actually believe the FO and the Panthers are putting this much emphasis on this stuff when looking at a QB like VY.

[mav1234]

I'm sorry but I actually believe that to be a "worst case scenario" not a certainty like most. I don't think we would discard him. I'm just saying...worst case.....what would happen that's so terrible?

And all contracts come with performance incentives and clauses. I'm sure blowing your head off....or doing something so stupid you get kicked off the team would have an effect on the obligation of your employer to your contract.

I highly doubt he'd allow any kind of performance clause in his contract relating to mental stability, lol.

Doesn't it disturb you at all we are even discussing it as a possibility, though?

I dunno, he's got some great abilities, I just think we can find our answer at quarterback elsewhere. I think he would be MUCH better off going to a team that is not rebuilding, where he can basically settle in to a system already in place with players already experienced in it.

[Mr. Scot]

Ok Mr. Scott, you want to know what I remember about your prediction earlier this year? You wrote this HUGE article on Jimmy Clausen last year, even made the front page of this forum describing his leadership abilities....

In case you need reminding, you couldn't have possibly been more wrong about him so forgive me for not taking your passing of judgment on VY with anything other than a huge grain of salt. Something along the lines of how Clausen is a true leader and when he steps on that field he's going to take charge, etc etc.....We both know how you couldn't have possibly be more wrong. I remember reading that, and I remember thinking to myself "I don't see it. I agree with a lot of things but I just don't see leadership from this guy and I don't see how any of our guy are going to respect him, not just because of his age and inexperience but his immature mentality."

Fact is, if leaderhip and our players are your main concerns, then I suppose if Beason, one of our defensive leaders, is indeed endorsing VY, then that pretty much settles that argument, now doesn't it?

Actually, what I wrote was that he was progressing as a young QB, was in a good position to succeed and had the skills to do so, but also that he might regress. None of that was a guarantee of success.

And truth be told, Clausen still could. Doesn't mean he will, but yes, he could. But that's the thing, isn't it? Clausen is still a project.

So explain to me why a team that already has one project and one rookie would be wise to take on another QB that's also a project - reclamation as opposed to developmental - instead of signing someone who's at least stable (if unspectacular)?

[Matthias]

The best thing Young could do is try to get a contract with his hometown team. (Which I think is the Texans) If he had his head on straight, he would be willing to sit behind Shaub until he burns out (which is very soon), and grab the starting reigns there. They have a great running game there, plus have one of the top receivers in the game. If Young is smart, that is the number one place to sign. If Young signed here, it would end up disastrous for both parties.

[PantherFanForLife]

Actually, what I wrote was that he was progressing as a young QB, was in a good position to succeed and had the skills to do so, but also that he might regress. None of that was a guarantee of success.

And truth be told, Clausen still could. Doesn't mean he will, but yes, he could. But that's the thing, isn't it? Clausen is still a project.

So explain to me why a team that already has one project and one rookie would be wise to take on another QB that's also a project - reclamation as opposed to developmental - instead of signing someone who's at least stable (if unspectacular)?

Actually you did.

CONFIDENCE: Some guys think they’re in charge. Others know they are. Clausen is the latter. He may be younger than a lot of the guys he’ll be commanding on offense, but he won’t go into the game wide-eyed and awestruck. This is where he expected to be, and when you see him break the huddle and walk to the line, you’ll know it. Likewise, when he looks at the opposing defense, he’ll be seeing positions, not star players. And there’s a toughness about him that should keep him from being afraid, even when one of those big fellas lays a good smack on him. A guy named Jake had a similar mojo in years past, and it got him a lot further than his talent alone would have taken him. Likewise, there’s a fellow by the name of Steve Smith who often plays best when he plays angry. This may be the first season where you see the guy throwing the ball look just as ticked off as the guy catching it.

You made him out to be quite the leader. That write-up just stuck in my head.

And VY is not a project. Sorry but no!

[PantherFanForLife]

The best thing Young could do is try to get a contract with his hometown team. (Which I think is the Texans) If he had his head on straight, he would be willing to sit behind Shaub until he burns out (which is very soon), and grab the starting reigns there. They have a great running game there, plus have one of the top receivers in the game. If Young is smart, that is the number one place to sign. If Young signed here, it would end up disastrous for both parties.

You have no idea what exactly would happen if VY was brought here. No one does.

But I do know this. Whatever would happen would have a lot more to do with the coaching staff and the other 52 guys on the roster than just what VY does.