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Kiper has us taking Fairley, McShay has us taking Bowers

CatMan72

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Yeah you're right about that. Yet I think there are some quality receivers entering free agency. The best plan is to go with Fairley this year. Then perhaps go with Alshon when he comes out if we need a number one WR by then. (Unless we can get Luck, next year's draft will be stacked with potential.)

Yeah, there is also the train of thought that there are quality DTs in FA. We will have to make our draft decision before we know which FA we will have a chance at since the draft will likely take place before the CBA is resolved.

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agreed. i would also say our WR situation long term is a greater need than a DE.

considering that marshall will be gone, CB might also be a greater need.

DT/WR/CB should be the choices for the first pick. if there were a QB worth an early pick i would say that would be the right call, but there isn't. peterson, green, or fairley are the best choices and none of them are what i would consider reaches for the #1 pick in this draft class.

We do need to prepare for life without Steve Smith which will come sooner than later. I cant say LaFell and Gettis will become a top 5 talent at WR but feel pretty confident in AJ Green being there.

DT is deep in the Free Agent pool if AJ is not the direction you want then Patrick Peterson will be a no.1....Gamble as a 1-A makes the secondary look better.

Evaluators are always clamoring for the "next!"..SUH was supposed to be a rare talent at DT now Fairley is?...the next season? He is nasty and looks like he would be good....I like him but I want a potential top player on the outside with the LaFells and Gettis. ..and yes with my hypocrisy I do think AJ or Patrick Peterson are the sure things in this draft.

We are lucky to be able to pick and choose from three different positions. I like veteran talent on the defense. Young talent on the offense.

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For those who want AJ, To me, wide receivers are a dime a dozen, and we can find and develop a receiver later on. (cough* Lafell/Gettis cough*) AJ Green would be a disaster of a pick. Compare AJ's college statistics to Dwayne Jarrett's

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=161084

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=379205

Honestly, if you remove the names and just saw the stats, who would you say is the better receiver? Jarrett had his one handers, his long Moss like touchdowns, and it got him no where with us. Yet we took Steve Smith in the third round, a little punt returner, and made him an elite receiver. (And would have been hall of fame receiver if it wasn't for the wasted years of QB play. I still think he can get that however, and be the first receiver to have 2,000 receiving yards in a season.) So I say no to AJ, and develop a guy later on. The only receiver I would take high on the draft board would be Alshon Jeffrey, and he isn't coming out this year. (I'd be willing to trade up for this guy)

With all that said, I completely agree with Kiper's mock draft. (When it comes to us, I haven't viewed his other picks thoroughly)

Wait you knock AJ green and Hype Alshon Jeffery..an AJ Green type WR? I love both being I live in Columbia, SC but AJ Green has 4.3 speed on his 6''4 frame and plays in the SEC against the Patrick Petersons and all other first round NFL talent. You cannot compare the stats as they tell us only that they are both the stud guy at WR. Jarrett was "ahem" incredible in college too. Compare Jaretts stats with the Fitzgeralds, the Maclins, the Megatrons and hes right there with him. Its why there was any hope for Jarrett in the first place.

Jarrett had a disaster of a work out and his speed, lack of quickness to get off the line knocked him off of draft boards. The Panthers always like to draft the Prom queen runner up: Jarrett(supposed 1st rounder superstar), Everett Brown(no brainer DE 1st rounder), Jimmy Claussen(Kipers top 10 guy!) both had huge questions after the combines.

Aj is prime..and Alshon is good too. Fairley will have to separate himself at the combine and in workouts but DT with money spent can be solved by free agency. Id be happy with any of the big three...Bowers is not in that 3...not for Carolina.

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I wasn't saying you in particular because this isn't the worst idea ever but here's how it breaks down. It's not that it will be retroactive but it is a negotiating tool for the GMs.

If a player comes out and demands 50mil the GM can offer 30 mil.

If the player refuses to sign it the GM can let the player hold out all season and try and reenter the draft the next year or trade the rights.

If the player re-enters the draft next year, there will be a presumable rookie salary cap.

Now the player will likely have a bad reputation and could possibly not go number one overall again but let's assume they do for consistency. The rookie cap now has the #1 overally pick slotted at 15mil.

That player went from wanting 50mil to being offered 30mil to signing for 15mil. GMs know this, players know this (hence so many entering draft trying to get the money while they can), and agents know this. It's really not a difficult concept.

I understand your logic, but you do understand under this negotiation strategy we will forfeit our pick. As I said before, getting some of these top ten picks this year is going to be an issue with every team. Believe what you want, but trust me on this one. Agents will try and inflate their value and owners will dig their heels in.

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Same here, espescialy with the #1 pick and the lack of talent that warrants a number one pick.

I keep hearing this whole "lack of talent that warrants a #1 pick" quote thrown around everywhere.

Lets get something straight, there is a lot of talent just no clear cut #1.

A lot of the chaos is brought on because of multiple reasons.

#1-Luck was far and away the clear cut #1. Everyone was prepared for him to declare and when he did not it created a hole that everyone wants to fill with some different person. Since everyone had already pinned Luck #1 since about week 8 of the season, no one cared to really pay attention to the other candidates. So now no one really knows enough about all of the options to make a stated case.

#2-There is a ton of talent and a lot of guys worthy of the #1, maybe too many. You have a dominant DT, a dominant DE, a WR that has all the makings of a big time go-to guy,and a DB that shows 'shut-down' ability. Add in a couple of QB's with a ton of up-side and you have a debate. Especially because of reason #1.

Any one of these players has shown through-out the course of thier careers/season that they are worthy of being the top pick.

#3-This is the biggie, at least for us as fans of the Panthers. There are holes all over this team but none of them gaping wide.

We need a DT but there could be a ton in FA and the guys we got are at least decent.

We could use a #1 WR but spent 3 picks on WR last year and two of them showed a ton of promise.

We need a good DB but if Marshall stays or we can get someone in FA then it is not a necessity.

We could use a dominant DE along with CJ but Hardy/Brown could be that guy.

The concensus position of need, QB, is a position that is particularly weak in this draft and is causing more problems than it is solving at this point.

So there is talent and it is worthy of being chosen #1 but there are a pile of issues with picking the position that is most needed.

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I understand your logic, but you do understand under this negotiation strategy we will forfeit our pick. As I said before, getting some of these top ten picks this year is going to be an issue with every team. Believe what you want, but trust me on this one. Agents will try and inflate their value and owners will dig their heels in.

It's not my logic, it's life's logic, it's the real world logic, I just happen to understand it.

Yes, I understand that if the 23 year old is willing to give up 30 million dollars, we will have wasted our pick, in the 2nd to worst case scenario. In the worst case scenario, we pay 50 million to someone who is worth less than half that.

More than likely they will all take less money than in years past just because they know it's better than nothing. If worst comes to worst and we haven't signed them before next year, we trade the rights and get something out of it.

Your scenario is the extreme one way, mine (and others who share this scenario) is more realistic and probable.

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