This Year's Rookie Receivers

[ed bell]

I'm happy with our TE's if they are worked into a good scheme...

[Mr. Scot]

I'm happy with our TE's if they are worked into a good scheme...

Rivera doesn't seem to be happy with them, though.

[MaineManPanther]

Our offense was a three-and-out machine for most of the year, we pretty much always lost the time of possession battle, we rarely were able to convert third downs or create sustained drives, and people are suggesting that the reason for LaFell and Gettis having good stats is because they played more snaps? :sosp:

(seriously?)

Why is that shocking? Regardless of how bad the offence was, if you get more snaps, you get more balls thrown to you and thus better stats.

Im not suggesting thats the only reason why they did decent. But it's a big advantage they have when comparing them to other rookie WR's

[Baschski]

The argument that "Fairley will take 2-3 years to produce and AJ Green will produce immediately" is completely and utterly devoid of any evidence at all. People who say that crap have no real basis for saying it. I'm a Fairley supporter, but I'm not dumb enough to say something like "Fairley will dominate from the first snap of the first game and AJ Green will need a few years to develop" just because I think it helps my argument. None of us have any idea how long it will take either of them to produce, and anyone who acts like they do have an idea is being ignorant.

[bleys]

The argument that "Fairley will take 2-3 years to produce and AJ Green will produce immediately" is completely and utterly devoid of any evidence at all. People who say that crap have no real basis for saying it. I'm a Fairley supporter, but I'm not dumb enough to say something like "Fairley will dominate from the first snap of the first game and AJ Green will need a few years to develop" just because I think it helps my argument. None of us have any idea how long it will take either of them to produce, and anyone who acts like they do have an idea is being ignorant.

let me restate my point.. It is much more likely that Green has earlier success than Fairley..

It is not guaranteed that Green will take 2-3 years to have an impact on offense.. it is very certain that Fairley will take 2-3 years to have the impact you all think he will..

Suh is the only DT to come out in recent years and have the impact he had... Fairley is not Suh.

DT's have to improve their hand technique when they reach the NFL.. it is something every DT faces..

plenty of WRs come out and have an immediate impact.. The only reason I won't say Green will not have an immediate impact is because there is a chance he doesn't translate as well as people think.

this is beside the point anyhow.. we can get a DT in FA.. not sold there will be many WRs not signing with their own team..

you cannot point out 1 reason why Fairley has to be the guy over Green.

the sole excuse that DT is our main need is ignorant if you think that is a valid point.. reason being no poo.. that doesn't tell me poo about why Fairley has to be the guy..

[Baschski]

let me restate my point.. It is much more likely that Green has earlier success than Fairley..

It is not guaranteed that Green will take 2-3 years to have an impact on offense.. it is very certain that Fairley will take 2-3 years to have the impact you all think he will..

Suh is the only DT to come out in recent years and have the impact he had... Fairley is not Suh.

DT's have to improve their hand technique when they reach the NFL.. it is something every DT faces..

plenty of WRs come out and have an immediate impact.. The only reason I won't say Green will not have an immediate impact is because there is a chance he doesn't translate as well as people think.

No, there is nothing "very certain" about it other than your opinion. And you also don't know what I think his impact will be. I, and any other knowledgeable Fairley supporter, do not expect him to be Suh. I expect him to start, I expect him to apply interior pressure regularly and allow Johnson/Hardy/Brown to get to the QB. I don't expect huge sack or tackle numbers out of him, I just expect a disruptive presence. That's not asking a lot.

[Baschski]

you cannot point out 1 reason why Fairley has to be the guy over Green.

the sole excuse that DT is our main need is ignorant if you think that is a valid point.. reason being no poo.. that doesn't tell me poo about why Fairley has to be the guy..

Of course I can. I have done it several times and you simply choose to ignore it over and over again. Let me say it clearly here.

Early in the draft, the smartest decision is always to take the BPA. No questions asked.

If AJ Green were the clear BPA, I would advocate taking him. But there is no reason for any of us to believe that AJ Green is clearly, definitively better than Nick Fairley at his respective position. Most scouts and draft experts have the two of them graded the same, or very close either way.

Now, in this situation we have essentially two BPA's of similar talent level. Since we have two players who meet our original criteria (BPA), we then move on to the next criteria...need.

DT is the greater need.

[vorbis]

both these receivers' play was inconsistent this season as you would expect with WRs. them playing a lion's share of the WR snaps i think had a tangible effect on clausen's comfort level and productivity. it's clear that the tutelage of tolbert was helpful in getting them up to speed on the NFL game. i'm with you scot, the future is somewhat bright for panthers WR corps, with or without green.

that being said, you don't pass up on a player like green if your reason is that you don't want to have to push other receivers down the depth chart. you pass up on him if you like another player better.

[bleys]

Of course I can. I have done it several times and you simply choose to ignore it over and over again. Let me say it clearly here.

Early in the draft, the smartest decision is always to take the BPA. No questions asked.

If AJ Green were the clear BPA, I would advocate taking him. But there is no reason for any of us to believe that AJ Green is clearly, definitively better than Nick Fairley at his respective position. Most scouts and draft experts have the two of them graded the same, or very close either way.

Now, in this situation we have essentially two BPA's of similar talent level. Since we have two players who meet our original criteria (BPA), we then move on to the next criteria...need.

DT is the greater need.

I don't feel DT is a bigger team need.. we'll be just fine with a FA acquisition..

With the likes of Green, we'll be set at receiver for years...

I guess that's why I'm not seeing any justification why Fairley has to be the guy.. We will be needing a true #1 receiver (and several WR threats) and I don't think there will be but 1 option in FA after it's all said and done....

[trucpfan]

The argument that "Fairley will take 2-3 years to produce and AJ Green will produce immediately" is completely and utterly devoid of any evidence at all. People who say that crap have no real basis for saying it. I'm a Fairley supporter, but I'm not dumb enough to say something like "Fairley will dominate from the first snap of the first game and AJ Green will need a few years to develop" just because I think it helps my argument. None of us have any idea how long it will take either of them to produce, and anyone who acts like they do have an idea is being ignorant.

I agree with you we don't know who develop faster, let's say they both are studs right off the back top notch rookies. Based on our current team would you rather improve the defensive side of the ball or the offensive?? Being that we were last in O and 16th in D seriously what would you focus on if both were equal studs???

Edit: Earlier I asked do you think that Dez Bryant would have made an immediate impact if he was on our team this year you never answered just wondering your opinion. Based off your statement no reciever last year could have come in and become a number one for us

[Sam Mills Fan]

I think numbers are very misleading.... To me the question is if those other wr's were on the panthers would their stats be any different from gettis and Brandon... For me the answer is no.

I think someone had to catch the ball, and when you have games with all rookie Wr's they are gonna get yards.

Shipley might of had more yards than Dez, but in no way did he outplay him this year. Dez can did what shipley did, but shipley could not do what dez did in Dallas.

Hahaha, exactly. These people that keep posting these misleading stats like they mean something keep cracking me up. Talk about grasping at straws.

[Highlandfire]

Its friggin outstanding. Gives us hope that if we can trade down and get more picks then Hurney might find us more diamonds in the rough AND do well with our top picks.

COACHING has been our main issue for years. I think fans will start to realize this after the 2011 season

[Baschski]

I agree with you we don't know who develop faster, let's say they both are studs right off the back top notch rookies. Based on our current team would you rather improve the defensive side of the ball or the offensive?? Being that we were last in O and 16th in D seriously what would you focus on if both were equal studs???

Edit: Earlier I asked do you think that Dez Bryant would have made an immediate impact if he was on our team this year you never answered just wondering your opinion. Based off your statement no reciever last year could have come in and become a number one for us

I've said this multiple times in several threads, but I do not believe for a second that WR was the reason our Offense was bad this past season. Yes, upgrading at WR can always help us. But the main reasons our offense was bad were Offensive Coordinator and QB. Get a good OC and a veteran QB and our WR group will do fine. Also, looking at it purely from the Front Office's standpoint, I don't see them taking a fourth WR in two years when Gettis and Lafell showed a lot of promise this past year.

Dez Bryant may have been a number one here, but the point is that it doesn't happen often. Rookie WR's almost never come right in and become the #1. Also, I don't think Dez Bryant, AJ Green or even Calvin Johnson for that matter would have produced much in our offense this past year--with a terrible OC and mediocre QB play all the elite receivers in the world would have gone unused.

[bleys]

I've said this multiple times in several threads, but I do not believe for a second that WR was the reason our Offense was bad this past season. Yes, upgrading at WR can always help us. But the main reasons our offense was bad were Offensive Coordinator and QB. Get a good OC and a veteran QB and our WR group will do fine. Also, looking at it purely from the Front Office's standpoint, I don't see them taking a fourth WR in two years when Gettis and Lafell showed a lot of promise this past year.

Dez Bryant may have been a number one here, but the point is that it doesn't happen often. Rookie WR's almost never come right in and become the #1. Also, I don't think Dez Bryant, AJ Green or even Calvin Johnson for that matter would have produced much in our offense this past year--with a terrible OC and mediocre QB play all the elite receivers in the world would have gone unused.

you're exactly correct.. and getting a WR isn't to make up for that. Coaching will do so, and well, we won't have an immediate solution at QB..

but it does give us more threats.. and whether we draft a WR or bring in a FA, it needs to be done..

the question is what route do we go for the DT and WR.. (and TE/CB)