I have seen some compare Clausen to Aikman...

[Ricky Spanish]

It took Warner several years to make an NFL roster. That was the point I was making. He was worse than Clausen. Warner couldn't even make the practice squad.

Manning threw more interceptions than Clausen took snaps (or so it seems)

Gannon's best season came when he was 37 (before he Jake Delhomme'd in the Super Bowl) Before then, he could be called a poor man's Chris Chandler. That isn't exactly high praise.

I don't remember Beurlein's stats, but nobody knew he had a 4400 yard, 36 TD season in him.

Kitna may have some good stats; not sure. But I know he only recently developed that fire to win. I never saw him play like recent times early in his career.

Morrall and Krieg were supposed to be career backups. One led his team to a perfect 17-0 record and the Super Bowl. The other is in the HOF.

people need to stop comparing rookie manning to rookie clausen. completely different ballparks of skill/rookie play. "but manning hads more pickz" he also had 8 times as many TD passes as clausen did too, showing that he (manning) could actually do something with the offense.

regardless, of all the guys you mentioned, who out of them went on to have success with the team that drafted them? If clausen does turn out to be a decent starter, it most likely won't be with us with that logic.

[Chimera]

people need to stop comparing rookie manning to rookie clausen. completely different ballparks of skill/rookie play. "but manning hads more pickz" he also had 8 times as many TD passes as clausen did too, showing that he (manning) could actually do something with the offense.

regardless, of all the guys you mentioned, who out of them went on to have success with the team that drafted them? If clausen does turn out to be a decent starter, it most likely won't be with us with that logic.

Changing the standards?

I wasn't comparing rookie Manning to rookie Clausen. I was answering the question: who sucked at first, then turned it around?

But apparently now its Who sucked at first, then turned it around while on the same team?

[Punisher]

But, he has such small hands!!!!

But, he has a rocket arm!!!!!! Nope

But, he has elite speed!!!!!!!! Nope

But, he has quick decision-making ability!!!! Nope

But, he is comfortable in the pocket, and can use the O-Line to avoid pressure!!!!! Nope

Pickles is not a NFL QB. Weinke 2.0 is his ceiling.

[Mother Grabber]

Also did Aikman have the mechanical issues that Clausen has?

Here ya go

:seeya:

That's one quote from one person talking about a single mechanical issue he saw with Jimmy before the draft. That quote does not talk about mechanical issues that Jimmy currently has, nor if those 'issues' are things that are typical rookies issues or if they can be fixed. What mechanical issues does Jimmy have?

[Mother Grabber]

Great isn't really in the picture right now

That's the point of the thread. Bust isn't in the picture right now either.

[Ricky Spanish]

Changing the standards?

I wasn't comparing rookie Manning to rookie Clausen. I was answering the question: who sucked at first, then turned it around?

But apparently now its Who sucked at first, then turned it around while on the same team?

I'm not getting on your case about guys that turned it around, I'm just saying that guys like that rarely do end up producing for the teams that originally took them, meaning, if clasuen does end up being ok, we aren't gonig to be the ones reaping the benefits of his good play. no sass intended sir.

[Punisher]

I'm not getting on your case about guys that turned it around, I'm just saying that guys like that rarely do end up producing for the teams that originally took them, meaning, if clasuen does end up being ok, we aren't gonig to be the ones reaping the benefits of his good play. no sass intended sir.

Since the rules change in 04, rookie QBs have adapted to the NFL pretty well. Way better than they use to that is for sure.

[ncbobcat]

Just throwing this out there--people tend to point to Big Ben and Flacco as to their early success. One has to look at their supporting cast was much better than what the 2010 Panthers as a team fielded. Both Pittsburgh and Baltimore would have probably made the playoffs anyway with an average veteran at the helm. They made the playoffs in spite of having a rookie QB. Matt Ryan fits that criteria to a certain extent too. The Falcons were an average team with or without Ryan as the signal caller.

Clausen's situation was much worse off than those guys--much of it self-inflicted, but the point reamins, his cast wasn't what Joe Flacco/Roethlisburger was fortuitously inserted into.

[mav1234]

What mechanical issues? Everyone loved his throwing motion coming out of College so if there is anything wrong with him the PANTHERS coaching staff did it!

you just were swept away in the hype like the rest of us or just didn't look hard enough. The concern was there. ESPN talked about it. Their scoutsinc page on him even talks about numerous batted balls. Others had big issues with his mechanics and questions on his leadership that they thought would cause him to drop.

[Urrymonster]

you just were swept away in the hype like the rest of us or just didn't look hard enough. The concern was there. ESPN talked about it. Their scoutsinc page on him even talks about numerous batted balls. Others had big issues with his mechanics and questions on his leadership that they thought would cause him to drop.

So the main problem with his action is that he will have more batted passes? Considering he averaged around 1 per game this year, that's not that big a deal I am afraid.

[Mother Grabber]

I believe Breesus had the most batted balls this year.

[Matthias]

As for as how they were as rookies. One poster said there was no comparrison as Aikman showed something that led the team to believe he was going to be a great one.

Bull poo.

Lets look at history shall we? Being in Tulsa I have always been force fed the Cowboys TV coverage and media wise (Plus Troy is from Oklahoma) so I saw this unfold first hand. First off Jimmy Johnson brought in Steve Walsh from Miami where he coached to try and win the job. For most of camp and the first few games of the 89' season, it was walsh who looked much better. Johnson was made to start Aikman about 6 games in to the 89' season. It wasn't until 1990 that walsh was ousted from the Cowboys roster (Aikmans rookie season was 89). Now rumor has it Johnson still wanted Walsh on the roster, Jimmuh Jones didn't and that's how that went down.

Now as for as on the field. Aikman sucked. He flat out sucked ass and MANY were saying he was a bust. He was 0-11 as a starter and was 155 of 293 passing for 1,749 yards, 9 TDs, 18 INTs.

More history, the drafted E. Smith in 90 and still missed the playoffs under Aikman's leadership. In 1991 he led them to a 6-5 record and got hurt against Washingon I believe.

Although he made the probowl in 91, it wasn't until 1992 his 4th year in the league did he become the QB that would be a HOF and 3x superbowl winning QB. BTW during that time, JJ and JJ Built the TEAM around him that would win 3 superbowls as well.

So how about we listen to our new HC and let him make the decision to develop Clausen or not and make the decision on if this kid has what it takes to become an NFL 'Franchise' QB.

Also remember, when it came to building the team around Aikman, that Jimmy had the Herschel Walker deal to help build. This deal ultimately help them get Emmitt Smith, along with other players. This dramatically reduced the time it took to build the team. Who are we going to trade to bring in that kind of talent? Luck would have been our best bet at that kind of trade, but then again Luck would have been all we needed, officially dumping Clausen on the side of the street.

Anyway, Clausen only had two touchdowns this season. Both were on blown coverages. At least Aikman had more touchdowns, showing he was a little more mature than Clausen. Clausen has a weird throwing motion with a low release point, I do not see Clausen improving unless he changes his throwing motion quite frankly. And we ain't got no time for him to do all that, excuse my grammar.

[Jangler]

I will agree that Aikman was a average QB that had a team built around him. Bradshaw too. There have been very few great QBs in the league... It's the team that made most QBs great.

I think with the right QB staff Clausen can be good. Great? That will depend on the team around him.

A lot of people like to talk about Delhomme and how good he was for 3 years or so...but to try and say Jake was anything but average is really kind of building up his legacy.

Only time will tell with Clausen.

So, I'm out of this crap and the haters can be impatient with Jimmy, but until you have a coaching staff that will develop him we will never really know how bad or good he can be. A Matt Ryan doesn't come into the league every year and even he has been given a staff and time to develop.

[Jangler]

Manning 12 years 1-1 in the Superbowl. Even though I think Manning is one of the best QBs to ever play the game...Roethlisberger is 2-0.

To try and compare Clausen or any QB to Manning is the stupidest argument I have ever seen.