Pat Yasinskas on Cam Newton: Go get him.

[Mr. Scot]

Im not saying we should draft Newton, but people are acting like DT and WR dont bust. DT busts as much, if not more than QB. WRs are iffy as well.

A QB bust will hurt us just as much if a DT busts, or WR. Either way youre not getting a player.

The thing with QB is, that the Risk is high, but the reward is so much higher than getting a DT or WR. A franchise QB instantly puts you in a position for long term success.

Disagree. QB hurts worse because it'd be the second year in a row we used our top pick on a QB. We'd be on our way to becoming the Lions.

Reaching with any draft pick is a big enough sin. Reaching with the number one pick is unpardonable.

[blackcatgrowl]

You don't gamble a number one pick on a project when you're already weak at that spot and being wrong on that gamble will make you even weaker.

Even more true when there are other spots that need help and players with better scouting grades that fit those spots.

Gambling on any of this year's QBs with that top pick would be the absolute worst thing we could do :nonod:

How can you possibly say we are going to be weaker at QB with any draft prospect?

You do realize, we had the worst QB play in the league for yards and rating? And the 31st in completion percentage? Right?

[Tutto]

Disagree. QB hurts worse because it'd be the second year in a row we used our top pick on a QB. We'd be on our way to becoming the Lions.

Reaching with any draft pick is a big enough sin. Reaching with the number one pick is unpardonable.

I honestly think by the time the combine comes, thats where Newton is going to fly up the draftboards. I think when all is said and done, on draft day he will be a Top 10 prospect.

[Sloth]

Disagree. QB hurts worse because it'd be the second year in a row we used our top pick on a QB. We'd be on our way to becoming the Lions.

Reaching with any draft pick is a big enough sin. Reaching with the number one pick is unpardonable.

We're reaching regardless this year. Not one of Green, Peterson, Fairley or Bowers is worth the first pick. No way to Newton #1, though, that's batshit fuging crazy. We'll reach for Fairley, Green or Bowers.

[Swarly]

How can you possibly say we are going to be weaker at QB with any draft prospect?

You do realize, we had the worst QB play in the league for yards and rating? And the 31st in completion percentage? Right?

that is exactly the type of thinking that will lead us to another #1 pick.

"well, he can't be worse than Clausen so we should get him."

how about we pick a player like Fairley or Green who we know for sure(well, nothing is sure in the draft but it's pretty close) will make an immediate impact as well as improve a very weak part of our team. we HAVE to draft best player available, and Newton is not even close to that.

luckily for us, the best players available are also needs for the team(DT, WR, CB)

[Mr. Scot]

I honestly think by the time the combine comes, thats where Newton is going to fly up the draftboards. I think when all is said and done, on draft day he will be a Top 10 prospect.

The Panthers always put more stock in game performance than in workout numbers.

How can you possibly say we are going to be weaker at QB with any draft prospect?

You do realize, we had the worst QB play in the league for yards and rating? And the 31st in completion percentage? Right?

The notion that "it can't get any worse" is a fallacy. Believe me, it can. Newton could bust too

You use the number one pick on a guy that isn't worth it when that pick could have been used on someone who was, and would have filled a need...you just made things a lot worse.

[blackcatgrowl]

We're reaching regardless this year. Not one of Green, Peterson, Fairley or Bowers is worth the first pick. No way to Newton #1, though, that's batshit f**king crazy. We'll reach for Fairley, Green or Bowers.

Again... more establishment talk.

As Pat was saying... we need a QB above everything else. Newton is the best out there. We should go get him if we think he'll be ready (which he will be).

[blackcatgrowl]

The notion that "it can't get any worse" is a fallacy. Believe me, it can. Newton could bust too

LOL, no it isn't. Why? Because we already have a bust QB in Claussen

What if Newton busts? Well guess what? We've got another stable of players to pick from next year.

You use the number one pick on a guy that isn't worth it when that pick could have been used on someone who was, and would have filled a need...you just made things a lot worse.

Yeah, but there is nothing that is conclusively proving he isn't worth it. All I see is talk of footwork, accuracy (which makes me lol), and character issues.

And again, how are you making things worse? We've ALREADY got a bust QB. We're at the bottom of the tank dude!

[Sloth]

Again... more establishment talk.

As Pat was saying... we need a QB above everything else. Newton is the best out there. We should go get him if we think he'll be ready (which he will be).

You never take a position based just on need. You end up passing over elite players to plug less talented guys into holes.

If we're able to trade down 10 spots, I'm ok with gambling on a QB. No way we should take any of them at #1.

[Ricky Spanish]

Everyone's blind love for Cam Newton is giving me Blind hate for the guy...

from an athlete standpoint, Newton is a monster magnet. From a QB standpoint, he is a project and not worthy of the #1 overall pick. Now please just understand that so we can move on with our lives.

[stopncrank]

This year there is NO QB worth taking with the first pick, we are better off short-term and long-term picking a player that can contribute now. Then go after a vet QB that can come in, give you a couple years, and mentor the younger guys on the roster.

I know we need a QB, Jimmy-whatever your opinion of him, needs to sit this coming year behind a vet that can work with him. Add to that hopefully Rivera will add a QB coach who can groom a QB.

IMO, taking another chance on a QB who wouldnt sniff the first round in other years is as big a mistake as taking a chance on a player who drops almost 20 spots, its kinda the same thing.

[Mr. Scot]

LOL, no it isn't. Why? Because we already have a bust QB in Claussen

What if Newton busts? Well guess what? We've got another stable of players to pick from next year.

Yeah, but there is nothing that is conclusively proving he isn't worth it. All I see is talk of footwork, accuracy (which makes me lol), and character issues.

And again, how are you making things worse? We've ALREADY got a bust QB. We're at the bottom of the tank dude!

You don't use the number one pick on a guy when the best thing you can say for him is "you can't prove that he isn't worth it" :nonod:

And yes, two busts taking up roster spots and salary is most definitely worse than one, especially when that pick could have been used elsewhere on a player that wasn't a reach.

[Snake]

that's because when people say "his footwork in the pocket is bad and he only makes a single read the vast majority of time before running" you ignore it.

the offense he plays in is designed that way, which makes it difficult to judge him. add to the fact he has only played a year at that level and nobody is sure where he will end up... a lot of it i s going to depend on combine and workouts.

He is a project because he does not have experience with multiple reads, needs to work on his footwork, has to learn to throw from under center more frequently, has to learn not to rely on his legs if his first read is covered or he'll get killed...

If OREGON roughed him up, how exactly do you expect his style to lend itself to a long NFL career?? You don't. He needs to adjust, and he will, but that will probably take TIME.

edit: I had heard his 40 time was closer to 4.7, so we'll see how he does at the combine.

While I agree with most of what you say, Luck looked just as bad playing the ducks. I think most people also agreed he was NFL ready. Im just be objective here.

[Mr. Scot]

You never take a position based just on need. You end up passing over elite players to plug less talented guys into holes.

If we're able to trade down 10 spots, I'm ok with gambling on a QB. No way we should take any of them at #1.

I wouldn't even take any of them there.

I'm not for using any draft pick - no, not even the seventh - on a QB this year (see the other thread).