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Pat Yasinskas on Cam Newton: Go get him.


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Newton's style and skillset fits what we need IMO. His technique at disguising the play is paramount, especially when he wants to run. I saw him play a lot and I like a BIG guy at QB that is hard to catch on the go. This is rare occasion where I will go out on a limb and want a 1st round QB. This kid is more than just a QB that can run. Newton was to Auburn what Ryan was to BC; their teams were not that good. Project or not, it would NOT be smart to let him go.

Newton...

DO IT!

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Drew Brees - 2nd round

Tom Brady - 6th round

Matt Schaub - 3rd round

Matt Cassel - 6th round

David Garrard - 4th round

Kyle Orton - 4th round

Colt McCoy - 3rd round

Matt Hasselbeck - 6th round

Tony Romo - UDFA

Kevin Kolb - 2nd round

Chad Henne - 2nd round

Seneca Wallace - 4th round

Of that bunch, the only two that qualify as "franchise" are Brees and Brady. Brady was a fluke and Brees was taken with the first pick of the second round.

First round QBs:

Ben Roethlisberger

Joe Flacco

Mark Sanchez

Jay Cutler

Aaron Rodgers

Matt Ryan

The significance of those six? They're leading six of the eight teams that are still in the playoffs. Only two teams that are left that don't have 1st round QBs (Brady and Hasselbeck).

Recent playoff exits...

Peyton Manning

Michael Vick

Twelve playoff teams, and the overwhelming majority had first round QBs. Of those who didn't, one was a fluke (Brady) one was a guy picked one pick late (Brees). So of the ones that are still alive, you have one, and only one, who isn't what people would define as a franchise QB. The other prior was Cassel, who threw three picks in his game.

Go a little further to look at teams that almost made the playoffs.

Eli Manning - first round

Josh Freeman - first round

Philip Rivers - first round

Sam Bradford - first round

Go beyond these teams and you're entering into the bottom half of the league standings.

Bottom Line: The league rules favor teams with first round, franchise QBs, now more than ever, and it isn't changing anytime soon.

If we want to compete, especially in our division, we can't rely on the old models :nonod:

We need "that guy" and that guy is not in this year's draft.

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Of that bunch, the only two that qualify as "franchise" are Brees and Brady. Brady was a fluke and Brees was taken with the first pick of the second round.

First round QBs:

Ben Roethlisberger

Joe Flacco

Mark Sanchez

Jay Cutler

Aaron Rodgers

Matt Ryan

The significance of those six? They're quarterbacking the teams that are still in the playoffs. Only two teams are left that don't have 1st round signal callers (Brady and Hasselbeck).

Recent playoff exits...

Peyton Manning

Michael Vick

Twelve playoff teams. Only three did not have first round picks. Of those one was a fluke (Brady) one was a guy picked one pick late (Brees). So of that bunch, you have one, and only one, who isn't what people would define as a franchise QB.

Go a little further to look at teams that almost made the playoffs.

Eli Manning - first round

Josh Freeman - first round

Philip Rivers - first round

Sam Bradford - first round

Go beyond these teams and you're entering into the bottom half of the league standings.

Bottom Line: The league rules favor teams with first round, franchise QBs, now more than ever, and it isn't changing anytime soon.

If we want to compete, especially in our division, we can't rely on the old models :nonod:

Not saying we don't need one, we do. ( I also consider Cassel a Franchise QB) and McCoy has a damn good chance of being one himself.

I just don't see any player in this draft worth the first pick, not even close to it. Maybe Green, Bowers of Fairley...

Everyone is saying Fairley, but I don't think he's a sure thing at all and is a risky pick. On top of that I like the Dt's in the 2nd-4th rounds just as much as the ones in the first. Peterson might be an option there and definitely could be. (CB is going to be a need if the Panthers let Marshall walk.)

Bowers isn't a need and neither is Green, imo. Smith, Lafell, Gettis can hold it down and I think Gettis has what it takes to be a # 1 WR. (speed, size and amazing route running)

There isn't an Olinemen worth taking that high or I'd say go that route, ditto for TE or any other position that the Panthers need.

It's really the only logically thing to do, there isn't a player worth the #1 pick to Carolina if they are smart about the DT's in this draft. Trade back if possible and pick up a couple extra draft picks. If not,. since there's more then likely going to be a rookie cap, you Take the QB you like the best. The Qb's in this draft have just as much of a chance as Luck of Barkley to be a Franchise QB. Let em sit for a year and learn under a vet and the New OC and QB coach.

I just think that the team is probably going to release Pike and not sign Moore back. I also think because of that they will go into the Draft looking for a QB and hopefully trying to trade down.

SO

QB's this season

Clausen

Draft Pick

Vet

You got two young guys, who get to sit behind a vet for a year. Next season put them in TC and let the best man win, trade the other one off or keep him as a back up.

Out of the QB's in this Draft the QB's with the best chance (yes, they are projects but that don't matter) Are Newton and Gabbert. I myself personally like Newton around the 5th or 7th spot in the first round. Gabbert around 7th - 10th. Mallet won't be far behind and I think Luck falls out of the first round into the second and possibly the third.

So going into the FA period (whenever that may be) The only QB on the roster will be Clausen and a Draft pick... Carolina then picks up a Vet and the three go into Camp and battle it out... Even if Pike isn't released before TC, I think he will be after it.

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Teams pretty much always take four QBs to camp.

The Panthers have never taken less than four that I can remember.

I don't think there's a clear number one either, but unless some team really falls in love with a certain guy, trading down won't be easy.

Yea, your right on that one. I just for some reason don't see Pike staying around going into the season if there is one.

As for possible trades

Cinci for Green or Denver for Fairley/Bowers.

Maybe San Fran or Washington if they really like Gabbert or Mallet and they don't think either of them will fall that far.

I'd want to get at least a 2nd and 4th for moving back.

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Yea, your right on that one. I just for some reason don't see Pike staying around going into the season if there is one.

As for possible trades

Cinci for Green or Denver for Fairley/Bowers.

Maybe San Fran or Washington if they really like Gabbert or Mallet and they don't think either of them will fall that far.

I'd want to get at least a 2nd and 4th for moving back.

I hope some NFC team is stupid enough to trade up for Mallett. That would be among the worst moved in the history of the NFL.

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No way in hell would I take Cam #1. He can not start for us day 1. Why would we waste the #1 overall pick on a project? Are some of you people crazy?

I know some of you think that you are some sorta Arm chair scout. The problem with this is you are starting 2 think you know more then the people who do it for a living. Simple anwser you don't know more then them. I've seen him rated as top 25 prospect. You don't take a top 25 prospect at number 1. You don't take a top 25 prospect in the top 10. I would only feel good about taken Cam if we traded down to the 15th pick or after and got a poo load of picks later in the draft.

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I have to disagree with theses guys being proven. Fairley only had 2 sacks his sophomore yr so he has 1 good year and he's proven? Newton had the highest qb rating in college football and people question his ability to pass? Any pick you make is a gamble . The kid has a lot of talent so why hate on him?

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Probably been said because I didn't read all 12 pages of this: IF CAM BUSTS, this Franchise is set back 3 years--like Tenn. If Fairley or Green bust, there is disappointment, but no huge franchise setback. Why would you draft someone who is at best a coin toss to succeed? Pat did not think it through. Or maybe he did, and this was the best he could come up with.

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Probably been said because I didn't read all 12 pages of this: IF CAM BUSTS, this Franchise is set back 3 years--like Tenn. If Fairley or Green bust, there is disappointment, but no huge franchise setback. Why would you draft someone who is at best a coin toss to succeed? Pat did not think it through. Or maybe he did, and this was the best he could come up with.

Oh Bullshit. Clausen is a bust, and we're in a position to reset after one year. If Newton isn't a bust then the most important piece of our offense is fixed for years to come.

If Newton IS a bust, we ship his ass down the road, and draft Luck next year.

Either way, we win.

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I have to disagree with theses guys being proven. Fairley only had 2 sacks his sophomore yr so he has 1 good year and he's proven? Newton had the highest qb rating in college football and people question his ability to pass? Any pick you make is a gamble . The kid has a lot of talent so why hate on him?

It's not that their proven. The fact is they don't have that far 2 go or much more they need 2 learn 2 be starter for us DAY 1. While Cam might take 1-2 or 3 years before he is ready 2 start.

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Oh Bullshit. Clausen is a bust, and we're in a position to reset after one year. If Newton isn't a bust then the most important piece of our offense is fixed for years to come.

If Newton IS a bust, we ship his ass down the road, and draft Luck next year.

Either way, we win.

What's bullshit is you not knowing that it takes way more years 2 get over a 1st round mistake then it does a late 2nd round mistake.:smilielol5:

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