Pat Yasinskas on Cam Newton: Go get him.

[mav1234]

Schaub maybe. Orton, Cassel, and Garrard? Uh uh. And even Schaub didn't see the field for his first few years.

Guys like Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning and others. They don't always start right off but they can if needed.

Why exactly would we need a quarterback picked in this draft to start right away?

Like it or not, there are "franchise" prospects in this draft. But the Panthers think they have one already so they'll likely use the first on something else. But later on?? We could pick up a project to replace one of our other projects if it's the BPA.

[Snake]

I'm all for a backup plan, a veteran backup plan.

There are no franchise QBs in the draft. Reaching for one then hoping and praying that he becomes one is a waste.

Get a one year stopgap. Look for the long-term solution next season. Could be Luck. Could be someone else, but at least there should be options.

This year, there just aren't.

Im sorry but cant agree with you there. While none are as polished as Luck (and Luck even looked bad in some games) that dose not mean there is not talent there. Im not saying we pick one with the first but until the combine and interview we really dont know where any of them stand. I am for a Vet being on this team but I dont trust Clausen enough and dont see that poor of talent this year to say we stand pat till next year.

[mav1234]

ok, maybe there is some confusion in defining "franchise quarterback."

I am thinking of it as a player the team can build around for the future and expect to have success in time by working with them and developing them... they don't need to start immediately but the idea is they are likely the future and the team will build around that.

edit: To put it in perspective, when Luck was in the draft class, there were 2-3 QBs that would go in the top 10. Now there are 1-2. Do you think that the scouts for those other guys weren't considering them franchise quarterbacks?? They aren't going 1 due to development time or questions but that does not mean a team couldn't build around them.

[Mr. Scot]

This is a silly statement.

Luck was not the only QB in the draft, he was just the only one worth #1. "Franchise QBs" go below #1 all the damn time. That doesn't mean we should grab one with our first rounder because we already have a couple projects but if somebody they like more than Pike falls far enough, it will happen.

Why exactly do we need to pick a quarterback in this draft and start them right away?

Why on earth do we want to throw a third young prospect into a mix that already has two?

If option number three isn't a guy that everybody already believes is a franchise QB, what's the point?

Young prospects that might pan out? We already have that. Ditto at receiver (which is why I'm not interested in AJ Green).

Do we really think a QB coach can be successful tutoring three guys that have less than a year's worth of pro starts between them? Two is enough to ask. Pike may not have much pro playing experience but he at least has a year of learning. Why do you replace that with a guy who's starting at zero unless he's a sure fire thing?

What we lack is a veteran option, so take two of them into camp with the two youngsters and the best three win.

Luck stayed in school. Stop looking for the consolation prize folks. It isn't there :nonod:

[mav1234]

Why on earth do we want to throw a third young prospect into a mix that already has two?

If option number three isn't a guy that everybody already believes is a franchise QB, what's the point?

First, I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I did not say the Panthers SHOULD take another quarterback early, just that there were other options. Now, if one of those options falls far, the Panthers will have to evaluate them compared to what they have. If they feel that one of those guys, with 0 years of pro experience still has greater potential to benefit the team and/or is a franchise guy they could potentially build around should Clausen not turn out, they could very well dump Pike.

The idea there is no consolation prize is stupid. There were other good QBs in this draft before you saw Luck and there still ARE.

I just don't understand your insistence with limiting the team's options.

Edit: Did you think the Panthers were going to go into next year with Luck Clausen and Pike and that was it or something?

[Mr. Scot]

I don't believe we'll be able to trade out of number one.

Seriously doubt any of the projected first rounders drops all the way to the third.

Beyond that, what's the point?

[Snake]

Why on earth do we want to throw a third young prospect into a mix that already has two?

If option number three isn't a guy that everybody already believes is a franchise QB, what's the point?

Young prospects that might pan out? We already have that. Ditto at receiver (which is why I'm not interested in AJ Green).

Do we really think a QB coach can be successful tutoring three guys that have less than a year's worth of pro starts between them? Two is enough to ask. Pike may not have much pro playing experience but he at least has a year of learning. Why do you replace that with a guy who's starting at zero unless he's a sure fire thing?

What we lack is a veteran option, so take two of them into camp with the two youngsters and the best three win.

Luck stayed in school. Stop looking for the consolation prize folks. It isn't there :nonod:

I just dont see us keeping Pike. He was a project last year that is still eligible for PC. I guess if your convinced that Clausen can progress then you would see it that way but he did nothing to progress last year and Im not convinced he will under a new system.

I don't believe we'll be able to trade out of number one.

Seriously doubt any of the projected first rounders drops all the way to the third.

Beyond that, what's the point?

I would bet money on CLE or STL have there eye on A.J. Green and would be willing to trade up. Bowers may sway people as well.

[Mr. Scot]

I just dont see us keeping Pike. He was a project last year that is still eligible for PC. I guess if your convinced that Clausen can progress then you would see it that way but he did nothing to progress last year and Im not convinced he will under a new system.

I would bet money on CLE or STL have there eye on A.J. Green and would be willing to trade up. Bowers may sway people as well.

I'm not convinced of anything on Clausen or Pike except that we don't really know what we have.

People really don't get just how much John Fox held these guys back last year. Not to mention that Rip Scherer just wasn't the right guy for the job.

I'm willing to give both a year in a new system to prove they're worth something, but I'm not especially confident in either.

Bottom Line: The franchise QB is an acquisition we'll make next year. Not this one.

[mav1234]

I don't believe we'll be able to trade out of number one.

Seriously doubt any of the projected first rounders drops all the way to the third.

Beyond that, what's the point?

There is a chance we end up back in the second, but beyond that, first round talent at QB often falls into the third because if teams aren't sold on a guy in the first they will often pass on them in the second as well.

All I am saying is we shouldn't limit our options by saying "We shouldn't take a QB in ANY round." Because things DO happen and players DO fall.

It's reasonable to say, "hey, we're unlikely to be able to trade out of #1 and there really isn't a #1 QB in the draft right now. So let's focus on other needs and worry about quarterback in FA unless one falls to us." That is what I am saying. I think ultimately it is what you think as well based on the last post. :cheers2:

[Mr. Scot]

Honestly, even if the first round guys this year fell to us in the second, I wouldn't pull the trigger.

A projected first rounder that slipped into the second round? Again, we already have that.

[Snake]

I'm not convinced of anything on Clausen or Pike except that we don't really know what we have.

People really don't get just how much John Fox held these guys back last year. Not to mention that Rip Scherer just wasn't the right guy for the job.

I'm willing to give both a year in a new system to prove they're worth something, but I'm not especially confident in either.

The franchise QB is an acquisition we'll make next year. Not this one.

I dont see how next year is not just as much a gamble as this. I know for sure we will not pick first next year so Luck will not be there. Every years a gamble but you have to try to fill the gaps. This is why we dont have a DT right now. We just said well we will get one next year...

[Mr. Scot]

Luck is not expected to be the only option next year like he was this one.

Reaching for a guy this year based on hope is as likely to make things worse as it is better.

[mav1234]

the thingi s, Luck wasn't supposed to be the only guy this year, either. Locker was supposed to push him all year. You never know how things will fall and it's possible when all is said and done, he'll be the only guy again.

But we won't have the #1, so if/when we take a QB, it won't be the same reach. We'll also have a better idea of what Clausen can do.

[carpanfan96]

Brady is a fluke. The Pats had no clue he'd be that good. He was taken because they had an opening and if Drew Bledsoe hadn't gotten injured, who knows if we'd ever have seen him?

How many other franchise guys can you name that didn't go in the first round (high second at best)?

Why do people keep wanting to go into training camp with what amounts to three rookies? Do you guys just want to kill our next QB coach's chances before he even gets started?

Good grief, folks :nonod:

The only guy that would have made that kind of gamble worth it chose to stay in school. It's not happening this year. Next year we have a much better shot.

Can we really not wait one year? And in a season that's likely to be a rebuilding season anyway

That's the thing, Newton, Gabbert, Mallet could all be franchise QB's there's no way of telling. Could they end up as bust, yes. Same thing can be said about the QB's coming out next season, the could be Franchise QB's but they could also be busts. Picking a QB in the NFL collegiate draft isn't an exact science. You take the player you like best as a team, if he works out great...if not back to the drawing board.

The possibility that Luck or Barkley could be a bust next season is just as much as Gabbert of Mallet this season.

Also as for next season, there are only two QB's listed with a first round grade right now. Luck and Barkley and thats it...

So I'm not sure of all these other options in next years draft compared to this one.... @_@

Lots of QB's with 3rd round or later grades and 1-2 with 2nd round grades

QB's in the first round are crap shoots.

As for the QB question (I'm only listing 2nd round or Later QB's that are starting QB's or were during the past season)

Drew Brees - 2nd round

Tom Brady - 6th round

Matt Schaub - 3rd round

Matt Cassel - 6th round

David Garrard - 4th round

Kyle Orton - 4th round

Colt McCoy - 3rd round

Matt Hasselbeck - 6th round

Tony Romo - UDFA

Kevin Kolb - 2nd round

Chad Henne - 2nd round

Seneca Wallace - 4th round

Brett Farve - 2nd round

Crappy ones -

Derek Anderson - 6th round

John Skelton - 5th round

Jake Delhomme - UDFA

Matt Moore - UDFA

Jimmy Clausen - 2nd round

That's a lot of starters that didn't get drafted in that special first round and 2 of the 3 best QB's in the league are on that list. @_@

So, Yes there is someone in this draft that has just as much of a chance as Luck or Barkley to be a Franchise QB. Just comes down to finding them and making the right selection.

To add to that

Here's a list of First round QB's to win a superbowl

1. Joe Namath - Super Bowl III

2. Bob Griese - Super Bowl VII and VIII

3. Terry Bradshaw - Super Bowls IX, X, XII, and XIII

4. Jim Plunkett - Super Bowls XV and XVIII

5. Jim McMahon - Super Bowl XX

6. Phil Simms - Super Bowl XXI

7. Doug Williams - Super Bowl XXII

8. Troy Aikman - Super Bowls XXVII, XXVIII, and XXX

9. Steve Young - Super Bowl XXIX

10. John Elway - Super Bowls XXXII and XXXIII

11. Trent Dilfer - Super Bowl XXXV

12. Ben Roethlisberger - Super Bowl XL and XLIII

13. Peyton Manning - Super Bowl XLI

14. Eli Manning - Super Bowl XLII