Pat Yasinskas on Cam Newton: Go get him.

[vorbis]

not every QB is drafted to be a franchise guy. you still need 3 capable players to be ready to perform when the team needs them. i'm confident that one of the 3 qb's on the next panthers roster will be a veteran. another will be clausen. the 3rd is still up in the air, and if new offensive coaches are excited about Newton or any other player(draftee or FA), then I think they will be heard. Personally I hope the panthers go in a different direction with the #1 pick and think they will. Rivera doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who will sit tight with what he has and hope for better next year. I could be wrong.

[Snake]

There's The Golden Calf of Bristol, but is he "successful" yet? We'll see. Alex Smith would be the prime example of one that isn't succeeding. Others aren't even in the league.

Honestly, you might get some debate on whether what the guys you named ran was actually a "true" spread offense. Accepting those though, none of them was truly a "one read and run" QB in college. That, even more than offensive style, is what kills guys coming into the pros.

A spread guy can make the transition to the NFL if he can read a defense. Some schemes have that built in. Auburn's doesn't.

Can Newton make it in the NFL? Maybe, but he'll be a two to three year project at least. He essentially has to be rebuilt from the ground up by a pro-style coach.

You don't use the number one overall pick on a guy that's two or three years away from contributing at QB unless you're already set with a starter who's getting up in years.

That's not us.

Let's be clear on something though. There are options in the draft from pro-style offenses and guys who don't play in one-read-and-run systems.

I don't want them either :nonod:

We don't need to go into training camp with what amounts to three rookies as our starting options.

I think you are taking that to the extreme there. I doubt he will need to be "rebuilt" if he is smart. Take a look at Clausen, He came from a college program that was almost exactly like our system and he could not make the transition. Then take a look at a QB like Josh Freeman and he comes from a similar offense. Yea year one he dose not do great but in his second year everyone is taking notice. We have to face the fact that if Newton has the brain to play the position, he also has the tools to go with it.

[carpanfan96]

What Rivera wants is a franchise guy, and that's just not available in this draft. Nor can it be found in this year's free agent pool.

Why waste a pick on a guy in the hopes that you can "mold him" into something when there are expected to be more legit options next year (and not just Luck)?

Fill the other needs this year. Next year, do whatever it takes to get one of those guys.

See that's the thing about the draft, you never know unless you take the chance.

Tom Brady anyone, he wasn't supposed to be a franchise guy... @_@

Thats how the draft works, sure fire things go boom a whole lot and guys who aren't supposed to do anything end up being franchise QB's.

It's likely that Carolina skips on the QB's this season and 1 or 2 of them have great careers and they take luck next season and he gets a severe concusion in his first game..

It's a crap shot and anything can happen.

[Mr. Scot]

not every QB is drafted to be a franchise guy. you still need 3 capable players to be ready to perform when the team needs them. i'm confident that one of the 3 qb's on the next panthers roster will be a veteran. another will be clausen. the 3rd is still up in the air, and if new offensive coaches are excited about Newton or any other player(draftee or FA), then I think they will be heard. Personally I hope the panthers go in a different direction with the #1 pick and think they will. Rivera doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who will sit tight with what he has and hope for better next year. I could be wrong.

If John Fox were still our head coach, and if we didn't reside in a division that has Matt Ryan, Drew Brees and Josh Freeman, I could see it.

If we don't want to be perennial cellar dwellers, we need a franchise guy, and Rivera knows it.

[Mr. Scot]

I think you are taking that to the extreme there. I doubt he will need to be "rebuilt" if he is smart. Take a look at Clausen, He came from a college program that was almost exactly like our system and he could not make the transition. Then take a look at a QB like Josh Freeman and he comes from a similar offense. Yea year one he dose not do great but in his second year everyone is taking notice. We have to face the fact that if Newton has the brain to play the position, he also has the tools to go with it.

Do you seriously think Newton can start from week one? Because if he can't, why would we take him?

We already have two guys that are prospects/projects on roster. Why on earth do we get a third one of those? And that goes for Newton, Mallett, Gabbert or anyone else/

This draft was Luck or nobody. Luck is out, so it's nobody.

There's no consolation prize. People need to stop looking for one.

[Mr. Scot]

See that's the thing about the draft, you never know unless you take the chance.

Tom Brady anyone, he wasn't supposed to be a franchise guy... @_@

Thats how the draft works, sure fire things go boom a whole lot and guys who aren't supposed to do anything end up being franchise QB's.

It's likely that Carolina skips on the QB's this season and 1 or 2 of them have great careers and they take luck next season and he gets a severe concusion in his first game.

It's a crap shot and anything can happen.

Brady is a fluke. The Pats had no clue he'd be that good. He was taken because they had an opening and if Drew Bledsoe hadn't gotten injured, who knows if we'd ever have seen him?

How many other franchise guys can you name that didn't go in the first round (high second at best)?

Why do people keep wanting to go into training camp with what amounts to three rookies? Do you guys just want to kill our next QB coach's chances before he even gets started?

Good grief, folks :nonod:

The only guy that would have made that kind of gamble worth it chose to stay in school. It's not happening this year. Next year we have a much better shot.

Can we really not wait one year? And in a season that's likely to be a rebuilding season anyway

[mav1234]

Rivera and his staff will look over the quarterbacks expected to be available in FA or trades and the draft.

They are going to bring in another quarterback.

If they decide for some reason there is a guy in the draft they like more than in FA we could go that direction, but I doubt it will happen.

The Panthers aren't going to rule out any possibilities right now and nor should we.

As I've said before, the Panthers have very little invested in Pike and it is a very real possibility that if a good prospect was a available who they also liked more than Pike they would take him.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Brady is a fluke. The Pats had no clue he'd be that good. He was taken because they had an opening and if Drew Bledsoe hadn't gotten injured, who knows if we'd ever have seen him?

How many other franchise guys can you name that didn't go in the first round (high second at best)?

Why do people keep wanting to go into training camp with what amounts to three rookies? Do you guys just want to kill our next QB coach's chances before he even gets started?

Good grief, folks :nonod:

The only guy that would have made that kind of gamble worth it chose to stay in school. It's not happening this year. Next year we have a much better shot.

Can we really not wait one year? And in a season that's likely to be a rebuilding season anyway

People keep detesting the idea of a stop-gap.

McNabb? Ewww noo! Hasselbeck? Eww noo!! Orton? Kolb? Ewww...noo!! They're not franchise guys!!

Exactly..

We aren't gonna get one this year.

Get a solid stop-gap, and in my opinion, surround him with as much talent as possible-which is why I'm board on the AJ Green bandwagon.

Even an average QB can look good with loads of talent around him, and it's been proven time and time again.

[Snake]

Do you seriously think Newton can start from week one? Because if he can't, why would we take him?

We already have two guys that are prospects/projects on roster. Why on earth do we get a third one of those? And that goes for Newton, Mallett, Gabbert or anyone else/

This draft was Luck or nobody. Luck is out, so it's nobody.

There's no consolation prize. People need to stop looking for one.

Im sorry but your clouded by Luck. We are not going to change things in one year. Look at the Buc's, they didnt say we got to win right NOW!!!! No they chose the right pieces to be successful in the future. Year one is about rebuilding and learning the system. There is no better then the present for growing pains. You keeps saying we have Clausen but the way I see it is this. He came out of college to the almost exact same system and struggled. What do we expect him to do in a new system? Why not grab a back up plan?

[Cat'sGrowl]

Im sorry but your clouded by Luck. We are not going to change things in one year. Look at the Buc's, they didnt say we got to win right NOW!!!! No they chose the right pieces to be successful in the future. Year one is about rebuilding and learning the system. There is no better then the present for growing pains. You keeps saying we have Clausen but the way I see it is this. He came out of college to the almost exact same system and struggled. What do we expect him to do in a new system? Why not grab a back up plan?

Because the back-up plan is even more of a project than anything on the current roster, and anything we can grab in the future.

[mav1234]

How many other franchise guys can you name that didn't go in the first round (high second at best)?

This year alone... some decent Qbs, though you may decide they aren't "franchise guys" that went after the 2nd... Schaub, Orton, Cassell, Garrard I think, and there may be more... pretty solid QBs who didn't go in the first round. There are more, of course, and the history of the NFL is full of guys like that. Again, it's going to come down to how you define franchise.

I don't think any of those guys came in and started right off the bat, though, they had a chance to learn and develop. That's pretty key though, and it's something we don't have right now. Honestly I could see us taking one of the rougher QBs in a later round (dropping probably Pike unless they were really sold on the mover Clausen which I doubt), bringing in some veteran that the staff knows somehow, and having them start for a couple years. That would require the right player falling to us though and I doubt that will happen.

[Mr. Scot]

Im sorry but your clouded by Luck. We are not going to change things in one year. Look at the Buc's, they didnt say we got to win right NOW!!!! No they chose the right pieces to be successful in the future. Year one is about rebuilding and learning the system. There is no better then the present for growing pains. You keeps saying we have Clausen but the way I see it is this. He came out of college to the almost exact same system and struggled. What do we expect him to do in a new system? Why not grab a back up plan?

I'm all for a backup plan, a veteran backup plan.

There are no franchise QBs in the draft. Reaching for one then hoping and praying that he becomes one is a waste.

Get a one year stopgap. Look for the long-term solution next season. Could be Luck. Could be someone else, but at least there should be options.

This year, there just aren't.

[Mr. Scot]

This year alone... some decent Qbs, though you may decide they aren't "franchise guys" that went after the 2nd... Schaub, Orton, Cassell, Garrard I think, and there may be more... pretty solid QBs who didn't go in the first round. There are more, of course, and the history of the NFL is full of guys like that. Again, it's going to come down to how you define franchise.

I don't think any of those guys came in and started right off the bat, though, they had a chance to learn and develop. That's pretty key though, and it's something we don't have right now. Honestly I could see us taking one of the rougher QBs in a later round (dropping probably Pike unless they were really sold on the mover Clausen which I doubt), bringing in some veteran that the staff knows somehow, and having them start for a couple years. That would require the right player falling to us though and I doubt that will happen.

Schaub maybe. Orton, Cassel, and Garrard? Uh uh. And even Schaub didn't see the field for his first few years.

Guys like Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning and others. They don't always start right off but they can if needed.

[mav1234]

There are no franchise QBs in the draft. Reaching for one then hoping and praying that he becomes one is a waste.

This is a silly statement.

Luck was not the only QB in the draft, he was just the only one worth #1. "Franchise QBs" go below #1 all the damn time. That doesn't mean we should grab one with our first rounder because we already have a couple projects but if somebody they like more than Pike falls far enough, it will happen.