My Evaluation of Gabbert

[Urrymonster]

Yeah, I grabbed some numbers off a site that hadn't updated them in... apparently a long time. My fault. I was thinking it was his games started and finished but he had 9 not 8.

29 passes a game seems really high though. How is that possible? He broke 29 like 3 times all year.

Either way, 3 attempts per game over 20 yards is ... not so good

Just to clarify is this attempts or completions?

Attempts. He had 299 attempts in 10 starts and 3 'sub' appearances, so it's difficult to quantify.

Let me put it another way.

Across 13 appearances he had 344 dropbacks (~27 per game)

Of the 344 dropbacks he attempted 299 passes

Of the 299 passes 27 were thrown over 20 yards

Of the 299 passes 73 were thrown over 10 yards

Of the 299 passes 209 were thrown in front of the LoS

Not it's not amazing, but your claim of 6 total passes was also a little exaggeration

Want to know a little secret? Matt Ryan only threw 8% of his passes over 20 yards. I think their system is pretty similar to ours, no?

[mav1234]

so I don't know what metric you use to get 29 throws per game out of Clausen, but anyway, if we go on his raw stats of 297 attempts in 12 games (1 subtraction of 2 throws and 1 game from the NYG game), that's 29.7 balls thrown >20 yards all year, and 25ish throws per game. (it would probably go up to like 26 if you include only the games he starts)

I don't know how you argue that ~3 balls thrown >20 yards per game is a legitimate deep threat, which is ultimately what I was getting at with Clausen; he isn't one. Perhaps it was my imagination but it certainly seemed like Moore went deep more often and completed those passes more. But I could be wrong.

Gabbert has a nice deep ball and is a deep threat to opponents, or at least was in college... but it doesn't matter, we aren't drafting him.

Really, I hope Clausen can improve because I see him as our likely option "for the future."

[mav1234]

I have no idea exactly how similar the offense is that the Falcons run to how ours was at any level beyond the superficial appearances (for instance I thought I read their play action pass actually, well, worked )... but Ryan was able to beat teams with medium and long throws on occasion. It just never felt like Clausen completed those balls.

at some point we have to include completions into the mix... because it's all well and good Ryan only went 20+ yards 8% of the time, but if he's throwing the ball 10+ more times, he's going to being throwing more of then and forcing the other team to respect the deep ball.

Clausen just had so few chances to complete deep balls that his abysmal completion percentage screwed the offense because of the system we ran it seemed.

Edit: Where do your stats come from for this stuff? I'm curious to look at where other quarterbacks fare in the 10-20 yrd area.

[Urrymonster]

so I don't know what metric you use to get 29 throws per game out of Clausen, but anyway, if we go on his raw stats of 297 attempts in 12 games (1 subtraction of 2 throws and 1 game from the NYG game), that's 29.7 balls thrown >20 yards all year, and 25ish throws per game. (it would probably go up to like 26 if you include only the games he starts)

I don't know how you argue that ~3 balls thrown >20 yards per game is a legitimate deep threat, which is ultimately what I was getting at with Clausen; he isn't one. Perhaps it was my imagination but it certainly seemed like Moore went deep more often and completed those passes more. But I could be wrong.

Gabbert has a nice deep ball and is a deep threat to opponents, or at least was in college... but it doesn't matter, we aren't drafting him.

Really, I hope Clausen can improve because I see him as our likely option "for the future."

29 was based on the 10 starts.

I am not arguing that he isn't a deep threat, just trying to perspective in. Moore did indeed throw it deep more often, an extra 10% (or there abouts) went over 20 yards.

However Matt Ryan shows that you don't need to always be a deep threat and he had some genuine weapons at his disposal.

I think Gabbert's main thing going for him is the big arm, which is always concerning for me. I would much rather they were great at reading defences than having a monster arm. Just my personal preference though.

[mav1234]

29 was based on the 10 starts.

I am not arguing that he isn't a deep threat, just trying to perspective in. Moore did indeed throw it deep more often, an extra 10% (or there abouts) went over 20 yards.

However Matt Ryan shows that you don't need to always be a deep threat and he had some genuine weapons at his disposal.

I think Gabbert's main thing going for him is the big arm, which is always concerning for me. I would much rather they were great at reading defences than having a monster arm. Just my personal preference though.

But he did not average 29 attempts in his starts. You can't just look at his total attempts and divide them by his starts, because he had extensive playing time in two other games.

Matt Ryan is a deep threat, though. Raw percentage attempts is inadequate to look at this sometimes. I am fairly certain Ryan completes a greater number of deep passes than Clausen. The threat is there, even if he isn't bombing deep passes all the time.

You are right that you don't just want a big arm in a QB (that would be Mallett if you only want an arm and not a quarterback). Gabbert does read defenses but it is only half of the field at a time, which is a detraction. On the other hand, he is a smart kid that works hard. He's a leader on the field. He's more than just a big arm, imo.

edit: You are also right that I was wrong about Clausen throwing it 16 times deep, but ultimately the times per game was pretty close to the number of times he went deep. He just wasn't a deep threat this year, nor... any kind of threat I hope he gets better.

[Ricky Spanish]

But he did not average 29 attempts in his starts. You can't just look at his total attempts and divide them by his starts, because he had extensive playing time in two other games.

Matt Ryan is a deep threat, though. Raw percentage attempts is inadequate to look at this sometimes. I am fairly certain Ryan completes a greater number of deep passes than Clausen. The threat is there, even if he isn't bombing deep passes all the time.

You are right that you don't just want a big arm in a QB (that would be Mallett if you only want an arm and not a quarterback). Gabbert does read defenses but it is only half of the field at a time, which is a detraction. On the other hand, he is a smart kid that works hard. He's a leader on the field. He's more than just a big arm, imo.

edit: You are also right that I was wrong about Clausen throwing it 16 times deep, but ultimately the times per game was pretty close to the number of times he went deep. He just wasn't a deep threat this year, nor... any kind of threat I hope he gets better.

i think it's 29 drop backs, not necessarily 29 passes per game. meaning he dropped back but got sacked on quite a few of those.

[mav1234]

i think it's 29 drop backs, not necessarily 29 passes per game. meaning he dropped back but got sacked on quite a few of those.

oh. lol.

that is very possible, hahaha.

[Panther_Pride]

I like Blaine Gabbert but I would love to see the Panthers trade back into the 7th-10th pick range, pick up a 2nd round pick and draft Cam Newton.

[Highlandfire]

Following the Big 12 I have seen a few of his games, He isn't ready for the NFL period. He only scans one 1/2 of the field, can't feel the pressure at all, is a one read then run or dump it guy like Newton is.

Dont' want him

[Urrymonster]

But he did not average 29 attempts in his starts. You can't just look at his total attempts and divide them by his starts, because he had extensive playing time in two other games.

Matt Ryan is a deep threat, though. Raw percentage attempts is inadequate to look at this sometimes. I am fairly certain Ryan completes a greater number of deep passes than Clausen. The threat is there, even if he isn't bombing deep passes all the time.

You are right that you don't just want a big arm in a QB (that would be Mallett if you only want an arm and not a quarterback). Gabbert does read defenses but it is only half of the field at a time, which is a detraction. On the other hand, he is a smart kid that works hard. He's a leader on the field. He's more than just a big arm, imo.

edit: You are also right that I was wrong about Clausen throwing it 16 times deep, but ultimately the times per game was pretty close to the number of times he went deep. He just wasn't a deep threat this year, nor... any kind of threat I hope he gets better.

Ryan completed 14 passes of attempts over 20 yards (2.45%) in 571 attempts. 14/45 (31%)

Clausen completed 9 passes of attempts over 20 yards (3.01%) in 299 attempts. Completion is 9/27 (33%)

Not saying it's good, just giving perspective.

[mav1234]

Ryan completed 14 passes over 20 yards (2.45%) of attempts in 571 attempts. 14/45 (31%)

Clausen completed 9 passes over 20 yards (3.01%) of attempts in 299 attempts. Completion is 9/27 (33%)

It's amazing what YAC can do to stats, especially compared with a decent completion percentage. If you include those, Ryan destroys Clausen in every way possible. Just goes to show how important moving the chains is... Ryan's able to do it, Clausen had some trouble with it at times. Our offense was so bad, bleech.

Where are these stats from? I honestly don't remember Clausen throwing 27 deep balls, though I guess that is barely over 2 per game for 12 games, which makes sense. Go figure.

Curious what other metrics they have.

NFL.com's include YAC, so they're not a good tool for this kind of comparison.

[Cavscout]

I would rather pass on all QB's in the draft this year, but if we do take one not named Dalton...I hope it's Gabbert