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AJ Green or Nick Fairley

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FA is the big card in all this. However if the draft was tommorow, we should get Fairley or Peterson (assuming Marshall isn't being signed as he said).

Agreed. I've been pulling for Fairley but I wouldn't be upset at all if we got Peterson. CB is our biggest need after DT and QB.

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haha, I love how people are arguing passionately against getting Green but he's still in the lead in the poll...

That literally means nothing. Also, the majority of ignorant football fans are in love with flashy receivers and QB's and don't care about linemen.

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Gimme a break. That's hardly the rationale people are giving.

A very small portion of the 123 who voted for AJ Green are actually in here having discussion about why they want to draft him. Your average football fan is much more likely to favor a WR than a DT.

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Here are the reasons people are giving for why we should draft Green over Peterson or Fairley.

1. We need playmakers on offense (Yes, we do. But you've got the position wrong. We need a playmaker at QB. WR is fine. Upgrading WR but not QB will keep our offense in the basement.)

2. We need a WR to draw double teams (Anyone who attended the games last year could tell you that Smitty was still drawing double coverage, despite his lack of production. Besides, Gettis showed more potential than almost any other rookie WR. Why can't he be that guy?)

3. We need excitement on the offense (Stop being 14 years old.)

4. The offense sucked so we need to draft a WR (Please look at a few posts back from me and see that I gave a large response that defeats this objection. The quick and dirty is that our offense being bad had nothing to do with our WR's. It was the QB and the OC. Upgrading WR may help, but it does not fix the offense. You have to address QB and OC if you want to fix the offense...otherwise your precious AJ Green will rot.)

5. We can address DT in FA so we should draft a WR (Why sign a FA when we can just draft a promising DT? Also, it is completely ignorant to say that we can address DT outside of the draft but we can't address WR outside of the draft.)

Gettis was in single coverage for much of last season. Opposing defenses had no respect for him. That's fine. The problem is that Clausen clearly doesn't trust Gettis at all. Why? I don't know exactly. Clausen simply refused to throw the ball to Gettis in single coverage for most of the season. Clausen saw Gettis on an island with only a CB on him 100's of times, looked right at him, and threw to the check down, or some other reciever. That's a bad sign. It probably means that Gettis loses one-on-one battles in practice, and Clausen doesn't want to risk throwing to him.

With AJ Green, we woud have 2 WRs who each demand a Safety over the top. Running game opens up, or you have Green in single coverage. Bingo.

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Gettis was in single coverage for much of last season. Opposing defenses had no respect for him. That's fine. The problem is that Clausen clearly doesn't trust Gettis at all. Why? I don't know exactly. Clausen simply refused to throw the ball to Gettis in single coverage for most of the season. Clausen saw Gettis on an island with only a CB on him 100's of times, looked right at him, and threw to the check down, or some other reciever. That's a bad sign. It probably means that Gettis loses one-on-one battles in practice, and Clausen doesn't want to risk throwing to him.

With AJ Green, we woud have 2 WRs who each demand a Safety over the top. Running game opens up, or you have Green in single coverage. Bingo.

Actually that says nothing. Clausen hardly threw to Smith despite his ability. And that may say more about Clausen than it does about Gettis. Clausen showed a big reluctance to throw downfield. Matt Moore had no problem getting Gettis the ball.

And you have no reason, other than wishful thinking, for saying that Green is going to demand a safety over the top. Could he come in and be the best rookie WR in a decade? Sure. Could he take a couple seasons to develop and break out like 95% of rookie WR's? Of course.

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A very small portion of the 123 who voted for AJ Green are actually in here having discussion about why they want to draft him. Your average football fan is much more likely to favor a WR than a DT.

not sure what you're implying, but it certainly doesn't mean going for a WR and bringing in a DT through FA is a dumb move...

1, 2 and 4) At least we still have Smith and two young, promising WR's. We have ZERO decent DT's. Three solid or better WR's vs. Zero solid or better DT's...and you think we should go WR. Why address a future need (Smitty getting slow or retiring or whatever) when we have a glaring immediate need at DT?

already addressed the glaring DT need.. not sure why you keep pointing that out..

3) Someone said something along those lines. I didn't make it up.

don't know.. don't care.. a lot of idiots run around here..

5) No evidence to suggest that we will go after Cofield. We have always been very frugal and sparing in free agency. And character concerns are irrelevant when you're talking about Smitty. He's the best player in franchise history. He's the heart and soul of the team. He may get a damn statue after he's done playing. And most importantly, he and Jerry Richardson are very close. JR isn't going to throw him under the bus because AJ Green has "good character."

there's no need for evidence because I'm not a fortune teller.. neither are you.. we aren't talking about what we might do, we are talking about the best option.. what we should do..

there is no argument against going after Cofield (if we did, we have a great chance to get him) and drafting Green..

what does Smitty have to do with getting Green?

I feel like I keep saying the same thing over and over and getting nothing in return..

I've explained why Green would be better.. whether the franchise goes the best route to cover as many needs as we have or not is yet to be seen.. but I've outlined options to do so..

argue against it all you will....

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Actually that says nothing. Clausen hardly threw to Smith despite his ability. And that may say more about Clausen than it does about Gettis. Clausen showed a big reluctance to throw downfield. Matt Moore had no problem getting Gettis the ball.

And you have no reason, other than wishful thinking, for saying that Green is going to demand a safety over the top. Could he come in and be the best rookie WR in a decade? Sure. Could he take a couple seasons to develop and break out like 95% of rookie WR's? Of course.

So you think it's wishful thinking for me to think that Green would require double coverage? I think it's wishful thinking on your part to think that Green can be covered be a lone CB. I'll take that all day long.

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