AJ Green or Nick Fairley

[Cavscout]

Fairley or Peterson are the better choices for #1 IMO

Otherwise trade down

[Catalyst]

NOBODY IS GOING TO TRADE WITH US!!! NOBODY WANTS THE PICK!!!

Ahhhh! Jeez, why is it so hard for people to get that through their heads? This isn't Madden; you can't just make trades at will.

[JawnyBlaze]

It is entirely possible to trade the pick. Someone might want it, someone in the 4-6 range that wants to get one of the top guys at their position (WR, DT, CB) and would be willing to offer a 2nd for the move up. It's not entirely likely, but definitely possible.

[klbishop143]

AJ Green is a talent that we absolutely need. Do you think Marvin Austin will be available in the third if we don't make a trade for picks?

[bleys]

AJ Green is a talent that we absolutely need. Do you think Marvin Austin will be available in the third if we don't make a trade for picks?

unless DT gets swallowed up (which is possible) there should be a few options in the 3rd.. we are the 1st pick in the 3rd, so we'll have to see..

[scarface]

NOBODY IS GOING TO TRADE WITH US!!! NOBODY WANTS THE PICK!!!

Ahhhh! Jeez, why is it so hard for people to get that through their heads? This isn't Madden; you can't just make trades at will.

Only trade I can see is Cinci wanting AJ Green since TO and Ocho Cinco are as good as gone.

....and we draft Peterson, Amukamura, Fairley, Dareus, Bowers, Quinn or possibly even Julio Jonesat #3 (though I want Green) and get extra picks.

Cardinals, Vikings, 49ers might want to trade up to assure their top QB choice too but traded to #1 might cost them too much.

[Murph]

Our best hope is that a player blows up the combine and/or workouts and several teams must have him. For example if Gabbert shines, Buffalo, Cinncy, Arizona and SF might want him. Buffalo may get nervous that the other teams will trade up with us or Denver to grab him so they offer us their pick and a little something more to move up two spots (3rd round pick this year or 2nd & 5th round picks next year ).

That would probably mean Gabbert to Buffalo at #1, Farley to Denver at #2 and we can still get AJ.

With this draft loaded with 2nd round DT talents, we will probably have our choice of a few decent ones with our 3rd round pick.

[jramsey4]

When will people learn that these super athletic running QB's simply have almost no chance of becoming an average NFL starter, much less good one. Vince, Matt Jones, Brad Smith, Randel El, every QB from Nebraska, Taylor, Newton....they will all have been, will be or should have been decent NFL players, simply not at QB. Just like TONS of good high school QBs become great NCAA Rbs, Wrs, and such. I can't understand why this is an insult.

I'm sure there are a couple of exceptions, which are easily named, but I'd much rather play the 98% odds than the 2%.

Thats like saying never take a dual threat QB because AE hasn't work out. None of those guys got a shot to play QB they went directly to wideout. VY is not a surefire example yet as he will get another shot. Its funny how you conveniently left out Vick.

I'm not saying they have an easy going of it but for every dual threat QB (who actually got a shot) there are 10 pocket passers that are busts. Think about it how many have gotten a shot in the last 7 or 8 years. VY, Vick, and maybe Troy Smith (who has looked great at times) and Josh Johnson (both 5th round picks).

Now look at pocket passers. To many to list. Face it dual threat QB's almost never get a real shot in this league and even when they do it almost always some stubborn coach trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and not using there athleticism properly.

Eventually with the successes of Vick in Phili teams will see that they can succeed given the right system and opportunity.

[pantherfan81]

I think hue will do a great job as head coach and I think @ochocinco would be a great addition

Gradkowski tweet

I'm thinking perhaps the Bungles are thinking AJ.

[KJDaniel31]

Thats like saying never take a dual threat QB because AE hasn't work out. None of those guys got a shot to play QB they went directly to wideout. VY is not a surefire example yet as he will get another shot. Its funny how you conveniently left out Vick.

I'm not saying they have an easy going of it but for every dual threat QB (who actually got a shot) there are 10 pocket passers that are busts. Think about it how many have gotten a shot in the last 7 or 8 years. VY, Vick, and maybe Troy Smith (who has looked great at times) and Josh Johnson (both 5th round picks).

Now look at pocket passers. To many to list. Face it dual threat QB's almost never get a real shot in this league and even when they do it almost always some stubborn coach trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and not using there athleticism properly.

Eventually with the successes of Vick in Phili teams will see that they can succeed given the right system and opportunity.

How bad of a QB was Vick for the team who drafted him? How bad did he leave them when he went to prison? How despicable of a human was he during his time there? I was trying to take it easy and not bring up a hot button topic, but Vick was a complete bust as well. So far, he has had one great year, and he brought very little value to the Falcons for the #1 pick, and the rule still stands: running QBs will not lead you to playoff success.

Smart teams draft these guys as backups or move them to a position where their athleticism can be used effectively. I'm having a hard time understanding the concept of "lets ignore 99% of the evidence and pray we are in the 1% minority here" when drafting. Kinda sounds like THIS

[jramsey4]

How bad of a QB was Vick for the team who drafted him? How bad did he leave them when he went to prison? How despicable of a human was he during his time there? I was trying to take it easy and not bring up a hot button topic, but Vick was a complete bust as well. So far, he has had one great year, and he brought very little value to the Falcons for the #1 pick, and the rule still stands: running QBs will not lead you to playoff success.

Smart teams draft these guys as backups or move them to a position where their athleticism can be used effectively. I'm having a hard time understanding the concept of "lets ignore 99% of the evidence and pray we are in the 1% minority here" when drafting. Kinda sounds like THIS

Your joking right? You do remember how unstoppable Vick was with the Falcons right ? When he got injured (or after he went to prision hell the man got a 10 yr 130 million deal right before that happened) what happened to them, they looked like crap. You can't use his (or VYs for that matter) off the field issues when talking about other dual threat QB's because well they aren't Vick.

Unless of course this is purely race based argument. Because that is were the similarities end .

[KJDaniel31]

Your joking right? You do remember how unstoppable Vick was with the Falcons right?

During the regular season? Sure, he could run, but his best season passing got him a rating of 81.6. He lead that team to 2 post season wins total. I dont know the complete rating formula, but his average rating for his 4 post season starts is 77.15. My argument has been that running QBs can win games in the regular season, but when they face good defenses in the playoffs their lack of passing ability is difficult to win with. I just know that a #1 overall pick who takes his team to the playoffs twice, wins only 2 games, and puts up those numbers is considered a bust.

Vick was anything but unstoppable when it mattered.

EDIT: It should be noted that Vick did improve his rating in these playoffs, posting a solid 79.9, however, his team again failed to win.

When he got injured what happened to them, they looked like crap.

As you should expect from a team that hasn't touched the ball much all season. He lacked the ability to complete a forward pass, much less get teammates involved. Remember what everyone thought of Roddy White when Vick was the QB? Vick leaves, and he has had 1000 yards every year since. Even the scrubs and a young Matt Ryan threw a more catchable ball than Vick.

You can't use his (or VYs for that matter) off the field issues when talking about other dual threat QB's because well they aren't Vick.

Those are specific situations with those 2 players, and I never said "every running QB has character problems", even though it does seem to be more prevalent.

Unless of course this is purely race based argument. Because that is were the similarities end.

Fairly weak copout here, considering I listed white QBs as well (Matt Jones, at least 2 of the Nebraska QBs were white). Jones was a crackhead and Crouch couldnt figure out if he even wanted to play football, and quit more than once. I couldn't care less about his race, I care about his skill set. I had no interest in Jones or Crouch at QB, and I have no interest in Vick, Taylor, Cam or VY at QB either. One good season followed by a 1 and done playoffs does not convince me when I have mountains of data stating that running QB's will not lead you to a title.

Can I ask why you are so desperate to follow a pattern that has done nothing but fail 99% of the time in the NFL? I'm curious to understand your position.

[jramsey4]

During the regular season? Sure, he could run, but his best season passing got him a rating of 81.6. He lead that team to 2 post season wins total. I dont know the complete rating formula, but his average rating for his 4 post season starts is 77.15. My argument has been that running QBs can win games in the regular season, but when they face good defenses in the playoffs their lack of passing ability is difficult to win with. I just know that a #1 overall pick who takes his team to the playoffs twice, wins only 2 games, and puts up those numbers is considered a bust.

Vick was anything but unstoppable when it mattered.

EDIT: It should be noted that Vick did improve his rating in these playoffs, posting a solid 79.9, however, his team again failed to win.

As you should expect from a team that hasn't touched the ball much all season. He lacked the ability to complete a forward pass, much less get teammates involved. Remember what everyone thought of Roddy White when Vick was the QB? Vick leaves, and he has had 1000 yards every year since. Even the scrubs and a young Matt Ryan threw a more catchable ball than Vick.

Those are specific situations with those 2 players, and I never said "every running QB has character problems", even though it does seem to be more prevalent.

Fairly weak copout here, considering I listed white QBs as well (Matt Jones, at least 2 of the Nebraska QBs were white). Jones was a crackhead and Crouch couldnt figure out if he even wanted to play football, and quit more than once. I couldn't care less about his race, I care about his skill set. I had no interest in Jones or Crouch at QB, and I have no interest in Vick, Taylor, Cam or VY at QB either. One good season followed by a 1 and done playoffs does not convince me when I have mountains of data stating that running QB's will not lead you to a title.

Can I ask why you are so desperate to follow a pattern that has done nothing but fail 99% of the time in the NFL? I'm curious to understand your position.

What pattern? There are so few dual threat QB's that get a chance that it makes it impossible to make the assumptions you are making. For instance where is this 99% coming from? For every guy like VY there are countless Leafs or Russels. I can think of maybe 5 true dual threat QB's that have gotten significant playing time since I have been watching NFL (02). Vick, VY, Troy Smith, Josh Johnson (and that wasn't much), and The Golden Calf of Bristol. Maybe Alex Smith but that one is an insult to dual threat. I might be missing one or 2 but thats all I can think of.

Now how many Pocket Passing QB's have started a reasonable amount during that time and busted? I will admit I would rather have a Luck but unless your willing to bomb another season I don't see that happening. A guy like Newton has just as much chance of developing into a top NFL QB as Gabbert, Mallet, or Locker. They are all projects its just my preference to get a guy like Newton who can still help his team win do to his athleticism year 1.

And besides considering how night and day Newton is compared to other dual threat QB's its like comparing Brees to Brady. Sure they both are damn good but they are two totally different QB's. If Newton does well in his interviews I would have no problem taking him #1.

[JawnyBlaze]

I disagree, I'd say not taking your team to the playoffs at all is a bust. Vick was solid, probably not worth #1 overall considering how long they were able to keep him, but hardly a bust. I wouldn't call Carson Palmer or Matt Stafford busts, and Palmer only took them to the playoffs once with no wins. Stafford is obviously young, but no playoffs yet!

I just know that a #1 overall pick who takes his team to the playoffs twice, wins only 2 games, and puts up those numbers is considered a bust.