NFC Scout on Gabbert

[mav1234]

Didn't we rely on the "experts" when we jumped on Clausen. Then an article appeared that certain "experts" were paid off to rate him higher. We need to do our own evaluation and not rely on any outside verbage. Just cannot afford to make another mistake.

actually, Clausen was scouted by our people and the idea we just grabbed him because Mel Kiper inflated his stock is silly. The guy who has Gabbert the highest also had Clausen as a 2nd round talent, because of concerns with his mechanics, his intangibles (including and especially leadership ability) and his arm... Same guy is pushing Gabbert because of the exact opposite of that.

[TheRealDeal]

That's fine

Hasslebeck is reportedly going back to Seattle

McCown has just as little game experience as Volek

Bulger is pointless bringing here to start, so would be just as useful as Volek

Collins isn't the sort of mentor I would want to bring in.

You get so aggressive about Billy Volek yet completely ignore the fact that teams have wanted him on their 3 QB roster rather than going elsewhere. He HAS to be good off the field, otherwise teams would have waved goodbye a long time ago. If you are going for a mentor that is exactly what you want, not someone who might win a game or two. All you want from him is to instil some good practice off the field and pass on as much of his work ethic as possible.

You don't want the most talent as a mentor, you want the best teacher.

What happens when the student fails miserably and the teacher can't play?

"Vet" mentors are overrated and it's just another cliche of football. Give me a good coach over a washed up grump any day.

Lots of good QBs didn't have "vet" mentors. It's just some sh*tty excuse to give to their favorite player.

[Urrymonster]

Didn't we rely on the "experts" when we jumped on Clausen. Then an article appeared that certain "experts" were paid off to rate him higher. We need to do our own evaluation and not rely on any outside verbage. Just cannot afford to make another mistake.

People need to realise that no one was paid off to inflate draft stock. Do you realise just how many people that you would have to pay? There are litterally thousands of draft analysts and scouts that would have had to fall under that banner. To think a family could pay these people enough cash to simply push a QB up draft boards is just pathetic.

[Snake]

Just trying to help you out. You know, make you look like less of an idiot but if you want to continue misspelling 3rd grade words, be my guest.

LOL your the one making an ass of yourself by being all butt hurt and all. The Grammar hammer is like the last resort attack from someone that has lost the battle. Yea I switched two words around, big deal we all make mistakes. It still does not make you look any more right, just petty.

[TheRealDeal]

LOL your the one making an ass of yourself by being all butt hurt and all. The Grammar hammer is like the last resort attack from someone that has lost the battle. Yea I switched two words around, big deal we all make mistakes. It still does not make you look any more right, just petty.

I don't even know what you are talking about. I'm glad you changed your sig from Cam Newton #1 overall though. If you still believe that why did you change it?

[Urrymonster]

What happens when the student fails miserably and the teacher can't play?

"Vet" mentors are overrated and it's just another cliche of football. Give me a good coach over a washed up grump any day.

Lots of good QBs didn't have "vet" mentors. It's just some sh*tty excuse to give to their favorite player.

Agree with a good coach, but a vet Qb is important as sometimes they are the first guy starting QBs go to if things are getting tough.

I also agree that you need someone who can play, but sadly the list of available QBs simply does not offer that. I would have gladly made a push for a guy like Orton, but we would have to give up decent draft picks to get him which we vitally need for restocking our roster.

[mav1234]

I saw that too. 2 weeks ago he was only rated a 93, and at the begining of the month, he was a 90.

What the hell is going on eh?

The 90 was from film of his sophmore year.

The 93 was from him declaring and initial reviews of this year (primarily Bowl game I suspect)

The 96 is based on a review of his games as a junior combined with his games a sophmore.

Gabbert doesn't look like he'd be ready to start, but nobody thought Bradford would either (tho Bradford is obviously a better talent). However, the reason he is compared to Freeman is because of the league he came out of and the offense he plays in, as well as the way he is able to deal with pressure and shrug off sacks.

The whole "he gets happy feet" thing is overblown. When he has protection he stands in and completes throws.

He can read both sides of the field but he favors one because of the offense's design to only read one half of the field on a given play. He has shown the ability to work both sides of the field so I don't buy that he can only read one side, though yes, the cruddy offense he is in only reads one side per play.

He is a bit of a project but comes with non of the character issues of the other early draft picks and is pretty much as ready to start as any of them. I don't see Gabbert going #1 even with a good combine but he is being ranked highly by scouts for a reason.

What happens when the student fails miserably and the teacher can't play?

"Vet" mentors are overrated and it's just another cliche of football. Give me a good coach over a washed up grump any day.

Lots of good QBs didn't have "vet" mentors. It's just some sh*tty excuse to give to their favorite player.

A good QB coach and OC can be all the mentor a QB needs imo. However, it's nice to have a veteran option who CAN mentor. I don't mean some dude who can no longer play, just someone with more experience who also knows his job is to be ready to come in at a moments notice but probably isn't going to start on opening day... but on this team, we actually NEED a QB who can start on opening day, so I'm not as big on the "veteran mentor."

[Snake]

What happens when the student fails miserably and the teacher can't play?

"Vet" mentors are overrated and it's just another cliche of football. Give me a good coach over a washed up grump any day.

Lots of good QBs didn't have "vet" mentors. It's just some sh*tty excuse to give to their favorite player.

I guess how Vinny Testaverde helped Dwill just does not count huh? Vets have been in the league and know what it takes to stay there.

[TheRealDeal]

Agree with a good coach, but a vet Qb is important as sometimes they are the first guy starting QBs go to if things are getting tough.

I also agree that you need someone who can play, but sadly the list of available QBs simply does not offer that. I would have gladly made a push for a guy like Orton, but we would have to give up decent draft picks to get him which we vitally need for restocking our roster.

My point was not to attack your post, and I apologize if you took it that way. My point is that Vet mentors are overrated and I would venture to guess just as many guys have had success without them as with them.

Off the top of my head:

Ryan

Flacco

Rodgers (Favre said he had no intent of helping him out)

Freeman

Brees (Can't remember who was there before in SD)

Manning

Other guys had older guys there when they got there but I doubt they were mentoring them like we are talking about here (Big Ben, Palmer, Romo)

Just my two cents. This list could be horribly wrong, I didn't look any of it up.

[mav1234]

I guess how Vinny Testaverde helped Dwill just does not count huh? Vets have been in the league and know what it takes to stay there.

Vinny was brought in to play. If a guy comes in with experience, that's a benefit. I have no doubt Vinny helped the squad a bit, but it's not like that year went so well that we can point back at it and go, "If only we had kept Vinny T around forever!"

[TheRealDeal]

I guess how Vinny Testaverde helped Dwill just does not count huh? Vets have been in the league and know what it takes to stay there.

Yes, let's bring in someone from a different position to help our QB.

[Snake]

Vinny was brought in to play. If a guy comes in with experience, that's a benefit. I have no doubt Vinny helped the squad a bit, but it's not like that year went so well that we can point back at it and go, "If only we had kept Vinny T around forever!"

Its all about longevity. A Vet QB can teach him what he need to know about preserving his body and reading defenses. While a Great QB coach can do the same not everyone is afforded that. Yes they need to be able to play to a degree but if your Rookie is the Fran guy he will be starting sooner then later and the Vet will have to step aside.

[Urrymonster]

My point was not to attack your post, and I apologize if you took it that way. My point is that Vet mentors are overrated and I would venture to guess just as many guys have had success without them as with them.

Off the top of my head:

Ryan

Flacco

Rodgers (Favre said he had no intent of helping him out)

Freeman

Brees (Can't remember who was there before in SD)

Manning

Other guys had older guys there when they got there but I doubt they were mentoring them like we are talking about here (Big Ben, Palmer, Romo)

Just my two cents. This list could be horribly wrong, I didn't look any of it up.

Don't worry, didn't read it as an attack.

I think it all depends on the personality of the QB really. A lot will see it as a job and therefore will go out to protect their job security, aka Brett Favre. However guys who rarely play must be kept round for a reason, otherwise they would always have their starter, a young guy and a guy they are taking a chance on who showed potential but hasn't reached it.

When I say mentor you often see the QBs on the sidelines together, chatting pointing things out. Yet this season that never really happened.

Part of the reason I wouldn't mind bringing someone like Alex Smith in, is because he has been dumped on a lot, yet always battled hard. I just think the right 'attitude' is easy to impart onto someone. So simply someone who works hard and does their homework (knowing what to look for on film) will indirectly rub off onto a young player, if they try to teach them it or not.

[Snake]

Yes, let's bring in someone from a different position to help our QB.

ahhh yes lets just focus on getting to the other side of the river without seeing the current is to strong.