Word of caution about drafting Fairley

[PantherBrew]

Well I know most people take Mayock as the gospel. Sooooooo.

[Snake]

So taken your point, which would be the safer pick between Green and Fairley? I would surmize Fairley.

DT without a doubt but if I get to pick anyone at one right now it would be Peterson. I say rebuild with a strong CB in the first year cause he want commanded much money and there are better options for DT in FA. Any FA CB will be looking to bank this year. Rather spend money on a experienced DT and a Rookie CB2 then an experienced CB2 and a Rookie DT.

[bleys]

Well I know most people take Mayock as the gospel. Sooooooo.

I certainly do.. love watching him on NFL Network's Playbook.. granted, no one is 100% on any of this..

DTs are a bigger impact. First the call has to be pass before the WR has an option to be in on the play (save a gimic) and then he has to be the target of the pass.

If Fairly can be an every down tackle (chances are he will), his value is a lot high higher than a WR.

you put Andre Johnson on the field and whether it's a run, pass, or hot route for someone else, he has a huge impact on the field whether the play goes to him or not..

I feel the coaching staff/FO is going to make the best choice for the team and what they are looking for.. You have options in FA for DT and WR.. personally, I'd rather see us trade down, but no one has brought up any real distinct reason why it has to be DT.. and this is the best argument raised so far.. and it's a joke of an argument...

it's completely foolish to say a WR only has an impact when the ball is in his hands.. lol

[Snake]

I certainly do.. love watching him on NFL Network's Playbook.. granted, no one is 100% on any of this..

you put Andre Johnson on the field and whether it's a run, pass, or hot route for someone else, he has a huge impact on the field whether the play goes to him or not..

I feel the coaching staff/FO is going to make the best choice for the team and what they are looking for.. You have options in FA for DT and WR.. personally, I'd rather see us trade down, but no one has brought up any real distinct reason why it has to be DT.. and this is the best argument raised so far.. and it's a joke of an argument...

it's completely foolish to say a WR only has an impact when the ball is in his hands.. lol

The fact that the WR relies so much on the QB is why its not worth it to us to draft WR and why there is a high bust rate for them. If Smith would have never had Delhomme we would have never called him a Top 5 WR.

[bleys]

The fact that the WR relies so much on the QB is why its not worth it to us to draft WR and why there is a high bust rate for them. If Smith would have never had Delhomme we would have never called him a Top 5 WR.

are you thinking this year alone? because that's what all the idiots said on why we shouldn't have grabbed Bolden or Marshall... (2 in particular swore it was about a 1 year plan.. but it's weird, cause contracts last longer than 1 year)

certainly right now is not the key.. we would have a guy to take over for Smitty now and the next 10+ years (which needs to happen, Smitty shouldn't be our #1)

are we never going to have a QB? or better yet, what if we manage to get Orton? is your point valid in any respect?

we can grab someone in FA at WR.. that is fine too.. just as fine as if we picked up a DT..

but still, no one is bringing up any valid points...

There is no real differentiation between grabbing either player in the draft.. unless of course you think we don't realistically stand a chance at picking up a quality WR like Malcom Floyd who might resign with SD..

I would shut up if all you guys said was "yeah, there's no real reason to pick either over the other, but I think there's a better chance at a WR in FA, so let's get Fairley.."

instead, you all are spouting off poo like "WR never has an impact unless the ball is in his hands" which is complete bullshit and shows you all really don't understand football..

when you say, "DT is our biggest need".. Oh yeah? is it? funny we managed to be 12th in the league on defense and our offense was last. funny we just brought in the best defensive mind in the country and our defense can only get better.. funny we can grab a DT and dismiss your entire logic..

just sayin.. don't give me bullshit and try to pass it off as good football knowledge..

[bleys]

The fact that the WR relies so much on the QB is why its not worth it to us to draft WR and why there is a high bust rate for them. If Smith would have never had Delhomme we would have never called him a Top 5 WR.

are you thinking this year alone? certainly right now is not the key..

we would have a guy to take over for Smitty now and the next 10+ years (which needs to happen, Smitty shouldn't be our #1)

are we never going to have a QB? or better yet, what if we manage to get Orton? is your point valid in any respect?

we can grab someone in FA at WR.. that is fine too.. just as fine as if we picked up a DT..

but still, no one is bringing up any valid points...

There is no real differentiation between grabbing either player in the draft.. unless of course you think we don't realistically stand a chance at picking up a quality WR like Malcom Floyd who might resign with SD..

I would shut up if all you guys said was "yeah, there's no real reason to pick either over the other, but I think there's a better chance at a WR in FA, so let's get Fairley.."

instead, you all are spouting off poo like "WR never has an impact unless the ball is in his hands" which is complete bullshit and shows you all really don't understand football..

when you say, "DT is our biggest need".. Oh yeah? is it? funny we managed to be 12th in the league on defense and our offense was last. funny we just brought in the best defensive mind in the country and our defense can only get better.. funny we can grab a DT and dismiss your entire logic..

Fact is, QB and a real WR threat is our biggest need. It opens up the run game, opens up other receivers, and keeps the defense from pinning their ears back on our OLine.. it also keeps the defense off the field which is most likely 1 reason our defense only finished 12th.. Gettis isn't going to pull off coverage from Smitty and Smitty isn't the threat he used to be..

Find a QB and a real threat at WR and we will see more results than a DT (who we can grab from FA just as much as a WR)

just sayin.. don't give me bullshit and try to pass it off as good football knowledge..

[Snake]

are you thinking this year alone? because that's what all the idiots said on why we shouldn't have grabbed Bolden or Marshall...

certainly right now is not the key.. we would have a guy to take over for Smitty now and the next 10+ years (which needs to happen, Smitty shouldn't be our #1)

are we never going to have a QB? or better yet, what if we manage to get Orton? is your point valid in any respect?

we can grab someone in FA at WR.. that is fine too..

but still, NO ONE IS BRINGING UP A VALID POINT.. lol

Here lets me explane this in a more simple way....

Good QBs are hard to find.

Good QBs make Avg WRs look good.

Good WRs make Avg QBs look Avg.

Bolden would not mean poo right now and would have been as pointless as Smith last year. Open your eyes a little bit and you can see our WR corps are good. We already have a player to take over for Smith. We also have a player to take the Moose roll as well.

I mean really? Did you see Orton in CHI??? Nothing special right there and while his numbers were better in DEN it was because his coach was taping other teams practices.

So you sir need to come up with a better argument as to why a Rookie WR is going to make our team better.....

[Baschski]

when you say, "DT is our biggest need".. Oh yeah? is it? funny we managed to be 12th in the league on defense and our offense was last. funny we just brought in the best defensive mind in the country and our defense can only get better.. funny we can grab a DT and dismiss your entire logic..

No, Defensive Tackle is our biggest positional need. There's really no argument against that, and if there is it's that QB is a bigger need--not WR. Just because our Offense was worse than our Defense doesn't mean that we should ignore the fact that DT is our weakest and most depleted position. Besides, the Offense's problems had a lot more to do with the system and the play calling than it did with the players. It certainly wasn't the fault of the WR's that our Offense sucked.

[Baschski]

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[bleys]

Here lets me explane this in a more simple way....

Good QBs are hard to find.

Good QBs make Avg WRs look good.

Good WRs make Avg QBs look Avg.

Bolden would not mean poo right now and would have been as pointless as Smith last year. Open your eyes a little bit and you can see our WR corps are good. We already have a player to take over for Smith. We also have a player to take the Moose roll as well.

I mean really? Did you see Orton in CHI??? Nothing special right there and while his numbers were better in DEN it was because his coach was taping other teams practices.

So you sir need to come up with a better argument as to why a Rookie WR is going to make our team better.....

we aren't talking about now.. Bolden would be solid for us in the next few years.. however, if we get Malcom Floyd or Green, the Bolden argument is worthless.. If we get Orton and a #1 receiving threat Bolden would have been valuable next year, the year after, so on and so forth. Replace the name Bolden with any #1 receiver.. so your argument not to get that spot filled is.. pointless. since you know, in a year or 2 we won't be in this situation (if we take appropriate action)

unless we ignore it.. you know, by not addressing the situation..

A good WR in Smitty got an average QB in Delhomme to the pro bowl, so you sir are incorrent in saying WRs can't make QB's look better than they are..

Gettis and LaFell are only 2 receivers that you HOPE will take up Smitty and Moose's spot..

you need more than 2 receivers if you want to attack on offense.. open your eyes to a different offensive system than 2 WRs and 2 TEs in to run the ball.. you want a legit threat who can break double teams, a solid #2 who can consistently get open, and 2 receivers who are better than nickle and dime backs.. (which should be easy with Floyd/Green, Smitty, Gettis, LaFell)

Orton was solid his last year in Chicago, and has had 2 really good years in Denver... Orton was always a decent QB and will prove to do the same here if he came to the Panthers.. trying to stack your argument by pointing out McDaniels taped a practice is hardly worthy of posting..

point, made, check..mate

No, Defensive Tackle is our biggest positional need. There's really no argument against that, and if there is it's that QB is a bigger need--not WR. Just because our Offense was worse than our Defense doesn't mean that we should ignore the fact that DT is our weakest and most depleted position. Besides, the Offense's problems had a lot more to do with the system and the play calling than it did with the players. It certainly wasn't the fault of the WR's that our Offense sucked.

no one said DT wasn't our biggest positional need.. but it's not our biggest TEAM need..

who said we were going to ignore the DT position? did I? did anyone? just curious... most arguments seem to think that is the case.. curious why that is..

and there are options at QB, so grabbing a WR is still relevant.. pointing out we need a QB does nothing to dismiss that..

[Baschski]

we aren't talking about now.. Bolden would be solid for us in the next few years.. however, if we get Malcom Floyd or Green, the Bolden argument is worthless.. If we get Orton and a #1 receiving threat Bolden would have been valuable next year, the year after, so on and so forth. Replace the name Bolden with any #1 receiver.. so your argument not to get that spot filled is.. pointless. since you know, in a year or 2 we won't be in this situation (if we take appropriate action)

unless we ignore it.. you know, by not addressing the situation..

A good WR in Smitty got an average QB in Delhomme to the pro bowl, so you sir are incorrent in saying WRs can't make QB's look better than they are..

Gettis and LaFell are only 2 receivers that you HOPE will take up Smitty and Moose's spot..

you need more than 2 receivers if you want to attack on offense.. open your eyes to a different offensive system than 2 WRs and 2 TEs in to run the ball.. you want a legit threat who can break double teams, a solid #2 who can consistently get open, and 2 receivers who are better than nickle and dime backs.. (which should be easy with Floyd/Green, Smitty, Gettis, LaFell)

Orton was solid his last year in Chicago, and has had 2 really good years in Denver... Orton was always a decent QB and will prove to do the same here if he came to the Panthers.. trying to stack your argument by pointing out McDaniels taped a practice is hardly worthy of posting..

point, made, check..mate

Gettis and Lafell played well this past season and have shown the ability to be legitimate players. You're also ignoring our multiple Pro-Bowl receiver Steve Smith who, contrary to popular belief, is not dead.

You can say no such things about the Defensive Tackle situation. Literally maybe ONE of them belongs on an NFL roster and that would be purely as a back-up.

So, we can take a Wide Receiver or a Defensive Tackle of similar talent. It defies logic to take the WR given the above information.

[trucpfan]

just sayin.. don't give me bullshit and try to pass it off as good football knowledge..

Part of my new sig I'm just feeling this ok let me not derail poo.

[top dawg]

Penny wise and pound foolish. Go ahead and take Fairley for our short term needs, and pass up on the player who will probably be a top 5 WR for at least the next 10 years (if not longer). Fairley has been talked about this year (regardless if he's a JC transfer), and this year only. Green has been touted since being in high school, and his lore has only increased exponentially at the collegiate level. Green is the real "cant-miss" athlete at his position. The only thing that will stop him is injury (but that can stop anyone). Can you really say the same thing in Fairley.

Is Fariley that much better than the other prospects at DT in the draft (or FA), that we should pass up on a receiver who is fast, strong, athletic, and with good size and great hands? We have to weigh it all out. We should compare Green with X DT and Fairley with X WR and decide which combination is going to have more value in the short and the long term.

[PanthersGuy28]

Yeah Baschski is right, yes the offense was worse but DT is probably the biggest need on this team right now. There is no telling when we would have a chance to draft a dominate DT like Fairley again. He's a monster and has all the tools you need to be successful. He has that mean attitude that players will fear and looks like he could be a guy that gets everyone around him more excited to play. Take Fairley, goodness.