The Pro Clausen Thread....

[KSpan]

oh and btw leaders arnt born, theyre made.

Can't fully agree with you there. Management skills can be learned and experience can help somone to make the correct decisions, but leadership is more than just management and experience. Charisma, balance, and respect all play a large role, and while it's not their fault, some people just don't have the "it" required to be a leader.

[Razeyfingers]

Charisma, balance, and respect all play a large role, and while it's not their fault, some people just don't have the "it" required to be a leader.

Charisma is a learnable skill for one thing and so is balance as you want to refer to vaguely. Respect is earned over time regardless. I dont think Im following you here.

There's a saying that goes, like I said before, "Leaders aren't born, theyre made" it's not my saying. . its A saying. It's probably likely that it tends to be true if it's a saying right?

[thunderraiden]

how about JON GRUDEN as OC and QB COACH since GRUDEN is a QB expert why not talk to him about coming an coaching clausen and the other qb we have.HE sure will teach him how to prepare in the NFL and how to think quickly like if he is throwing the ball don't tak to many steps back and learn how to get rid of the ball like one thosand two onethosand three onethousand and ball gone or tuk it in and run.

He would rather be a broadcaster than become the highest paid head coach in football, so I don't think he's interested.

[thunderraiden]

Charisma is a learnable skill for one thing and so is balance as you want to refer to vaguely. Respect is earned over time regardless. I dont think Im following you here.

There's a saying that goes, like I said before, "Leaders aren't born, theyre made" it's not my saying. . its A saying. It's probably likely that it tends to be true if it's a saying right?

In Eastern cultures (Asia for the geographically retarded) there's a saying that "Leaders aren't made, they're born". So there goes your point out the window?

[Razeyfingers]

In Eastern cultures (Asia for the geographically retarded) there's a saying that "Leaders aren't made, they're born". So there goes your point out the window?

Sure it would, but time might show you differently like it did for me.

[XClown1986]

In Eastern cultures (Asia for the geographically retarded) there's a saying that "Leaders aren't made, they're born". So there goes your point out the window?

For every saying, there is one to rival it. Ex:

"Two heads are better than one" or "Too many chefs in the kitchen spoils the soup"

"Opposites attract" or "Birds of a feather flock together"

"Absence makes the heart grow fonder" or "Familiarity breeds contempt"

"The pen is mightier than the sword" or "Actions speak louder than words"

I can go on....

So there goes your point out the window?

[OchoNueve]

For every saying, there is one to rival it. Ex:

"Two heads are better than one" or "Too many chefs in the kitchen spoils the soup"

"Opposites attract" or "Birds of a feather flock together"

"Absence makes the heart grow fonder" or "Familiarity breeds contempt"

"The pen is mightier than the sword" or "Actions speak louder than words"

I can go on....

So there goes your point out the window?

nice research on the contracdicting cliches... i'm impressed

[MurkN]

If you take a look at quarterbacks drafted in the 2nd round since 2000, not many of them turned out to be really good.

Drew Brees - 32nd pick in the 2001 NFL Draft by the San Diego Chargers

Quincy Carter - 53rd pick in the 2001 NFL Draft by the Dallas Cowboys

Marques Tuiasosopo - 59th pick in the 2001 NFL Draft by the Oakland Raiders

Kellen Clemens - 49th pick in the 2006 NFL Draft by the New York Jets

Tarvaris Jackson - 64th pick in the 2006 NFL Draft by the Minnesota Vikings

Kevin Kolb - 36th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft by the Philadelphia Eagles

John Beck - 40th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft by the Miami Dolphins

Drew Stanton - 43rd pick in the 2007 NFL Draft by the Detroit Lions

Brian Brohm - 56th pick in the 2008 NFL Draft by the Green Bay Packers

Chad Henne - 57th pick in the 2008 NFL Draft by the Miami Dolphins

Pat White - 44th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft by the Miami Dolphins

Jimmy Clausen - 48th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft by the Carolina Panthers

The only name that really stands out is Drew Brees. While it is too early to label Jimmy a bust, the trend doesn't exactly lean in his favor.

[Andrew Luck]

Me > Clausen

[neverlosethefeeling]

By definition, the jury is still out on any 2nd year player... it takes at least 3 years to fully evaluate a rookie.

It used to be unthinkable that a rookie QB could have any success, then we had a run on guys like Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez, Bradford, etc who experienced some success... so now the expectation is that a rookie QB should be ready to play right away or he sucks.

I don't know if Clausen will ever be a viable NFL QB, but I do know it's too early to decide that now.

That's what I've been saying for over a month

I just don't think you can give up on a guy like that.

1. I think he was thrown in there too early and with players just as inexperienced as he was. Then when things weren't going well, he was taken back out. The revolving door at quarterback this year was less than helpful.

2. You said "I don't want to hear about how the team was bad," well, you can't really answer that question without taking that into consideration. If it's 8 games into the season before we have a 100 yard rusher, there's a sign that the offense isn't working. Maybe not for another team, but for a team that's built on its ability to run the football, that is an obvious sign that the offense isn't working the way it should. Factor that in with a young quarterback, young receivers, a standoffish Steve Smith and an offensive line that can't pass protect to save its life and you have the makings for a disasterous season with a 2nd round quarterback.

3. I really don't know that a season is enough to determine the guy's ability, namely because I think he was put in too early. How many seasons did Rodgers sit behind Favre before he got his shot? And now he's playing excellent football. That's not to say that Clausen is a mold of Aaron Rodgers, that's just a strong case for sitting rookie quarterbacks.

4. I really think that fans of the NFL have been spoiled by the quarterback play of recently drafted rookies. Flacco, Ryan, Bradford to a lesser extent and Roethlisberger are all guys who came in and played well, or really well, right out of the gate. I think those guys would tend to be the outliers in that particular data set, and not the trend-line.

5. I will give you this: If Andrew Luck is there, he's someone the Panthers can not pass up. He's a can't miss guy. If he's not there, I don't know that QB is the Panthers' biggest need. And yeah, that's probably a bold statement but it's one I'm willing to stand behind.

6. All things considered, I think Jimmy has done a great job of handling himself this season. He was put in a tough spot, and I think maintained poise and class throughout the season. I don't think I heard him once blame anyone. That was a big knock on him coming out and I think he responded to that criticism proactively and we saw that this season.

[Floppin]

There are two types of people on this board.

People that have faith in Jimmy Clausen.

And People who have never watched 1 minute of football in their lives.

The two cannot exist together.

See, I can do it too.

I know I'm coming in late in the conversation, but I want to point out the stupidity of this statement.

You basically said that anyone who has ever watched Football before must have faith in Jimmy Clausen and only those who have never watched 1 minute of football before can not have faith in Clausen.

or are you trying to say that people who have never watched football could not possibly have faith in Jimmy Clausen because they haven't ever watched him, hence why they couldn't exist together?

:confused::confused::confused:

[riddel]

Jimmy was passed on during the draft for a reason. If it wasn't for Weis's relationship with Fox and Davidson, Clausen wouldn't be here. PERIOD. Clausen was suppose to fit right into Davidson's screwed up offensive scheme. He didn't.

If any of you guys actually watched the Rivera press conference, he clearly stated they would be looking for a QB. He stated that the Panthers were looking for a FRANCHISE QB and that ain't Clausen.

[Mr ocho nueve]

Wouldn't it be funny Tyrod Taylor was our starting QB week 1?

[XClown1986]

Wouldn't it be funny Tyrod Taylor was our starting QB week 1?

If you mean funny like watching an old lady get hit by a car then pissed on by a homeless person, then yes it would be hilarious