Dave Wannstedt likely to interview for DC spot with Panthers

[bleys]

Wants the point of having a DC for a HC then having a DC as a separate job

Didn't we just go through 8 years of that sh*t? How about Rivera handle D calls and his OC handle the O calls

I mean damn Hurney. Have you learned anything since you been here

I've gone through 8 years of these posts.. WTF haven't I learned nothing!?

Meeks scheme DOES NOT fit in with the past defensive style of Rivera.

We will have a DC, but the HC will hire someone who has a similar philosophy on the defensive scheme.

I think Rob Ryan would be a good fit..

Then why not keep Meeks if the DC is gonna be a puppet anyway? The players are already used to him.

If you ask me, it's looking like the scheme won't change much, if at all. We will see though.

BTW, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I like the Meeks scheme just fine. We need more players to run it though.

the DC is still going to make the play calls, you want him to have a great understanding of the philosophy of (what I hope) are more zone blitzes, dynamic blitzes, and (what I hope) many different looks from the defense rather than a Cover 2 shell and all the plays coming from the same look...

now, by no means did I just say I want a DC who calls blitzes on every play...

[beastson]

Because the HC does more than call plays... There are very very very few teams that don't have the HC, OC, DC chain of command.

I know that but it can cause problems. Implementing a D that someone else has to run. If the D does bad then the HC has to take over. We went through it several times with Fox/Trgo

[Urrymonster]

Then why not keep Meeks if the DC is gonna be a puppet anyway? The players are already used to him.

If you ask me, it's looking like the scheme won't change much, if at all. We will see though.

BTW, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I like the Meeks scheme just fine. We need more players to run it though.

It's not that the DC would be a puppet, the Hc sets the scheme and the DC will draw up the gamplan and make the game day calls whilst being overseen by the HC.

Rivera has traditionally had a more aggressive scheme than what Meeks employed so I would guess that the DC will employ that with their own flavor of gameplanning and play calling.

[monstercat]

Why does everybody think that Meeks ran a passive defense? I saw plenty of blitzes while he was here, and the Panthers ran losts and lots of zone blitzes with Trgo. Hell, John Fox was running zone blitzes before he ever came here, not to mention the old bear defense that Rivera was running as a player.

I'm not trying to poo poo Rivera or Wannstedt, but I'm not so sure the defense is going to be as different as some of you think, unless they start running a hybrid 3-4 like the Ravens used to run.

[Boltergeist]

I could sign on for Wannstedt as a DC :thumbsup:

Get him then. I think Wanny being on our staff with Norv would be too much failboat for my liking.

[mj4life]

Why does everybody think that Meeks ran a passive defense? I saw plenty of blitzes while he was here, and the Panthers ran losts and lots of zone blitzes with Trgo. Hell, John Fox was running zone blitzes before he ever came here, not to mention the old bear defense that Rivera was running as a player.

I'm not trying to poo poo Rivera or Wannstedt, but I'm not so sure the defense is going to be as different as some of you think, unless they start running a hybrid 3-4 like the Ravens used to run.

it will be totally different IMO, when meeks blitzed he would bring lb's up the middle most of the time. expect to see corners& safeties used more.i also expect to see more bump & run from our corners.

[Stumpy]

expect to see corners& safeties used more.i also expect to see more bump & run from our corners.

God I hope so. If there was one aspect of our old D that frustrated me more than anything, it was the 10-12 yard soft zones we ran on seemingly every play. Also IMO our corners and safeties would be better suited for a more physical style of play.

[panthers55]

Why does everybody think that Meeks ran a passive defense? I saw plenty of blitzes while he was here, and the Panthers ran losts and lots of zone blitzes with Trgo. Hell, John Fox was running zone blitzes before he ever came here, not to mention the old bear defense that Rivera was running as a player.

I'm not trying to poo poo Rivera or Wannstedt, but I'm not so sure the defense is going to be as different as some of you think, unless they start running a hybrid 3-4 like the Ravens used to run.

Blitzing it only one part of it. The cover 2 is easy to counter when a team blitzes, there are plenty of predictable holes. I hope the aggression is not just blitzing but using more man coverage schemes instead of zone (bend until you break) and being less predictable. Both things which made it hard for us to shut teams down and get off the field. Hopefully Rivera dictates the philosophy and the schemes while the DC will do the nuts and bolts of the day to day teaching and film work with all his staff and players.

[bleys]

Blitzing it only one part of it. The cover 2 is easy to counter when a team blitzes, there are plenty of predictable holes. I hope the aggression is not just blitzing but using more man coverage schemes instead of zone (bend until you break) and being less predictable. Both things which made it hard for us to shut teams down and get off the field. Hopefully Rivera dictates the philosophy and the schemes while the DC will do the nuts and bolts of the day to day teaching and film work with all his staff and players.

theeeeeus..

[monstercat]

Blitzing it only one part of it. The cover 2 is easy to counter when a team blitzes, there are plenty of predictable holes. I hope the aggression is not just blitzing but using more man coverage schemes instead of zone (bend until you break) and being less predictable. Both things which made it hard for us to shut teams down and get off the field. Hopefully Rivera dictates the philosophy and the schemes while the DC will do the nuts and bolts of the day to day teaching and film work with all his staff and players.

That's cool, but they had better sign Asumwhatshisname PDQ if Rivera plans on using more man coverage, because with the players he has now, they will be toast. It will just be a quicker death than what we had with Meeks and Fox, where everybody dinked and dunked us to death.

[panthers55]

That's cool, but they had better sign Asumwhatshisname PDQ if Rivera plans on using more man coverage, because with the players he has now, they will be toast. It will just be a quicker death than what we had with Meeks and Fox, where everybody dinked and dunked us to death.

Gamble and Munnerlyn are both better in man coverage versus zone so I don't agree that we don't have the personnel to run man. I am not so sure about Godfrey and Martin yet but lets see how they do with camp. If we couple an aggressive blitzing scheme with man coverage off the line, you make the quarterback think about where to go instead of having multiple options like now as they sit back and wait for guys to clear.

I wouldn't be opposed to signing a few guys in the draft but I don't think it will be Peterson at number 1 or Asomugha in free agency .

[Mr. Scot]

Get him then. I think Wanny being on our staff with Norv would be too much failboat for my liking.

Wannstedt's great as a DC. He's only failed as a head coach.

Could well mean he winds up as a longtime DC if hired. Unlikely he'd get another HC shot - at least not in the pros - given his age and the fact that he has two previous stints that were both unsuccessful.

And honestly, that's a good thing.

I think people underestimate what it means to a team to have a longtime DC or OC. Look at what Jim Johnson did for the Eagles and what Dick LeBeau has done for the Steelers. The system is in place. They can tweak it as needed in the offseasons and reload with players that fit what they do.

To be clear, I'm not saying Wannstedt is an equal to Johnson or LeBeau, but if he could be to us what they are to their teams, it'd be a very good thing :thumbsup:

[bleys]

That's cool, but they had better sign Asumwhatshisname PDQ if Rivera plans on using more man coverage, because with the players he has now, they will be toast. It will just be a quicker death than what we had with Meeks and Fox, where everybody dinked and dunked us to death.

we have the cap room now right? we'll see what JR and Co plan to do.. maybe we'll see more bump n run as well, I remember Gamble doing well at that the very FEW times that happened (mostly TC or preseason, you know, when we tried things that never translated once the regular season started)

[KDawg004]

Just a little something I saw on Wannstedt's defensive rankings in his last stint with Miami. He was the DC in 1999.

1999-5th overall defense

2000-6th overall defense

2001-5th overall defense

2002-3rd overall defense

2003-10th overall defense

2004-8th overall defense