A Lesson From the Jets and Colts Game

[hepcat]

Why is Manning considered the best....Brady is clearly the best.

[rayzor]

when was the jets QB drafted?

[The_Cannon]

This loss wasn't Peytons fault. But it was a good look at two different styles of play calling that Panthers can learn from in the future.

[Dpantherman]

playing special teams helps as well

[CharlotteBeer.com]

In the NFC south it is.

You do realize a 7-9 team just beat Brees and the defending Super Bowl champions, right?

For anyone who didn't understand the point of this post: all I'm saying is that, contrary to popular belief, you can win in this league without an elite quarterback.

[Grammer]

You do realize a 7-9 team just beat Brees and the defending Super Bowl champions, right?

For anyone who didn't understand the point of this post: all I'm saying is that, contrary to popular belief, you can win in this league without an elite quarterback.

you can win, but its hard to win consistently. and you have to have a qb who is actually worth a damn, and not a guy who checks down 9/10 plays

[Davidson Deac II]

You do realize a 7-9 team just beat Brees and the defending Super Bowl champions, right?

For anyone who didn't understand the point of this post: all I'm saying is that, contrary to popular belief, you can win in this league without an elite quarterback.

Fwiw, I thought Hasselback looked pretty elite today.

I agree with you that an elite qb is not a requirement, although few can doubt that it helps. But a team certainly needs an effective QB. And thats something we haven't had since 2005.

[theyhateme45]

You do realize a 7-9 team just beat Brees and the defending Super Bowl champions, right?

For anyone who didn't understand the point of this post: all I'm saying is that, contrary to popular belief, you can win in this league without an elite quarterback.

I think that most people understand that.... The thing I have said is that you will not win consistently, or consistently be a super-bowl contender without one. That's why a lot of teams are in the playoffs one year, out the next, struggle for a few then make a strong run. Teams like the Colts, Patriots, Steelers are always in the running year in and year out.

It takes a lot, some luck, and great play to win in the post season. But Good play can always get you to the postseason.

[Highlandfire]

A team with a good run game and solid defense just knocked off a team with perhaps the best quarterback of this generation.

Just sayin' -- it's not all about the quarterback.

Winner winner, chicken dinner! Nice to see common a realistic, common sense post.

[theyhateme45]

I think that most people understand that.... The thing I have said is that you will not win consistently, or consistently be a super-bowl contender without one. That's why a lot of teams are in the playoffs one year, out the next, struggle for a few then make a strong run. Teams like the Colts, Patriots, Steelers are always in the running year in and year out.

It takes a lot, some luck, and great play to win in the post season. But Good play can always get you to the postseason.

For example, I think we could put a good team together and Matt Moore could get us to the playoffs and win a few games.... But would he be able to do that back to back to back seasons.... I doubt that. That's where Elite comes in.

[Highlandfire]

I think that most people understand that.... The thing I have said is that you will not win consistently, or consistently be a super-bowl contender without one. That's why a lot of teams are in the playoffs one year, out the next, struggle for a few then make a strong run. Teams like the Colts, Patriots, Steelers are always in the running year in and year out.

It takes a lot, some luck, and great play to win in the post season. But Good play can always get you to the postseason.

The 3 teams you just mentioned are the best all around built TEAMS in the NFL year in and year out. Another key? Hands down they draft better than anyone.

Do they have damn good QB's? Sure they do, but you need to look at the team around those QB's THAT is the key. All 3 are the best at losing talent each year and being able to find talent just as good that no one knows to replace them and not miss a step.

Trade DOWN in this draft, pick up a QB later if you want, but get more picks and pray Hurney can draft like the 3 teams you mention.

[Ruff]

lol, the Colts had ten DBs on IR.

you so crazy.

[theyhateme45]

lol, the Colts had ten DBs on IR.

you so crazy.

Not to mention at one point they had 3 or 4 rb's injured and had to bring back rhodes, and their top defensive player can't stay on the field... + injuries to their te/wr core through out the season.

[Mr ocho nueve]

Colts still were good enough to win their division after slipping in the middle of the season, speaks numbers about injuries, adjustments, and leadership on the team.