Cam Newton TD

[Mr ocho nueve]

Here's a couple.

I've seen Tyrod do that with his eyes closed

[Snake]

Newtons is first read and Whitehurst is second read. In the Newton one the rush makes it look like he has a second read but the TE is his first read. Second play its clear that its his second read.

Really though Newton was under heavy pressure so he could have just gone to his check down man but it looked designed that way.

[HuddleLikeDeshaunFoster]

TRD man, this forum is 98% morons of the highest order. Seriously, in an internet full of message board cesspools this is like the Vince Young Wonderlic of message boards

Just remember that there are people on this forum that thought (and still think) Jimmy Clausen could be a good NFL quarterback. That people on here thought DeShaun Foster wasn't a useless turd. That most people here barely even watch college football and couldn't tell you the difference between Nick Foles and Andrew Luck before ESPN told them one was going to be our pick if he declared. TJ Yates for next Panthers QB right tar heel fans!!! Pat White and Owen Schmitt = Super Bowl baby!! ARMANTI!

Keep spreading the truth, man. You're one of the few people with an IQ over 12 posting here and while it may not seem appreciated it, it is. I personally can't handle it enough to actually post regularly but hopefully you can. Aside from when you tried to pimp Carson Palmer as anything other than used up damaged goods you're one of the few here that doesn't spout complete garbage

i guarantee half the cam newton homers don't even know who gus malzahn is

[bleys]

TRD man, this forum is 98% morons of the highest order. Seriously, in an internet full of message board cesspools this is like the Vince Young Wonderlic of message boards

Just remember that there are people on this forum that thought (and still think) Jimmy Clausen could be a good NFL quarterback. That people on here thought DeShaun Foster wasn't a useless turd. That most people here barely even watch college football and couldn't tell you the difference between Nick Foles and Andrew Luck before ESPN told them one was going to be our pick if he declared. TJ Yates for next Panthers QB right tar heel fans!!! Pat White and Owen Schmitt = Super Bowl baby!! ARMANTI!

Keep spreading the truth, man. You're one of the few people with an IQ over 12 posting here and while it may not seem appreciated it, it is. I personally can't handle it enough to actually post regularly but hopefully you can. Aside from when you tried to pimp Carson Palmer as anything other than used up damaged goods you're one of the few here that doesn't spout complete garbage

i guarantee half the cam newton homers don't even know who gus malzahn is

can't help but think this is TRD.. although I have to agree with most said here.. lol

[CatMan72]

If you watch the entire video you can see the whole route combination.

You can see how the top receiver almost picks the linebackers making the TE more open.

Did you change the first video? I could have sworn it was different the first time I looked and I couldn't tell what # 80 was doing, now that I've watched it a few more times it seems clear to me the Cam Newton play was designed to go to the TE all along, he leaked out to the left while all the motion was to the right and then Cam turned right back to him.

[Snake]

Did you change the first video? I could have sworn it was different the first time I looked and I couldn't tell what # 80 was doing, now that I've watched it a few more times it seems clear to me the Cam Newton play was designed to go to the TE all along, he leaked out to the left while all the motion was to the right and then Cam turned right back to him.

I did the same thing.... Its like whoa how did I miss that. I think the rush kinda messes with you and your more focused on Cam then the TE.

[TylerVagyler]

Pretty sure Seattle just ran this same play again. Play was definitely designed for the TE.

EDIT: different formation, but same concept.

[TheRealDeal]

can't help but think this is TRD.. although I have to agree with most said here.. lol

Naw, you can get a mod to check IPs. I don't care enough to make a new name. Respect will come in time. My opinions usually differ than the majority but more people come to light later on..see posts below.

Did you change the first video? I could have sworn it was different the first time I looked and I couldn't tell what # 80 was doing, now that I've watched it a few more times it seems clear to me the Cam Newton play was designed to go to the TE all along, he leaked out to the left while all the motion was to the right and then Cam turned right back to him.

Haha no I didn't change the video. I just recently learned how to post YouTube videos into threads and am not technologically savvy enough to edit a video. I think if you look at it objectively and don't have a Cam Newton agenda (thinking he made 3 progressions and reads defenses amazingly) you see what you saw the second time. No one throws a fad route off the play action to the RB and the top receiver is clearly either picking or clearing defenders from the left side. Rep for being open to change your original opinion.

I did the same thing.... Its like whoa how did I miss that. I think the rush kinda messes with you and your more focused on Cam then the TE.

Same response^.

[mav1234]

When watching it real time, it does look like he makes reads, but if you watch it enough times and watch the flow of action, the design of the play becomes clear.

Newton draws tremendous attention in college, that's for sure. Man, even as a viewer it's hard not to watch him make moves.

[TheRealDeal]

Here's an example of what can happen if you make a BAD read on almost this exact play. Drew Brees forces a throw AGAINST THE GRAIN to #85, TE - David Thomas. Picked by a Seattle Line Backer.

ANY TE Fade route is going to require a Read on coverage of your other receivers, ESP. if it's against the grain.

But no... Cam just runs designed plays to the letter. Doesn't make plays. You know... he's too stupid...

Further note: Tide Ends are usually NOT your players who can break coverage. Throwing to a TE who's covered is going to almost ALWAYS result in what happened in the video above, unless you're throwing to a beast like Tony Gonzales.

First of all, that play is nothing like the videos I provided. In the above videos, there is a clear effort to draw the defense to right through routes, QB movement, etc. In your video, Brees drops straight back and the TE is in the middle of the field.

If you can't see the difference between those 3 plays, you should stop watching football.

Second, in neither one of those videos does a TE run a fade route. Do you know what a fade route is?

All your post did was further the argument that some posters on here don't know football at all. Cheers.

[YoungPanthers89]

13th read, he read a diary of anne frank and some poems back there to

[blackcatgrowl]

First of all, that play is nothing like the videos I provided. In the above videos, there is a clear effort to draw the defense to right through routes, QB movement, etc. In your video, Brees drops straight back and the TE is in the middle of the field.

If you can't see the difference between those 3 plays, you should stop watching football.

Second, in neither one of those videos does a TE run a fade route. Do you know what a fade route is?

All your post did was further the argument that some posters on here don't know football at all. Cheers.

Your condecending BS is very amusing. It's like you really think you are an authority on Football. Hate to break it to you dude, but you're just another know-it-all fan who posts on a message board.

That being said, the protection doesn't roll right, but the TE fade is the same. The play was designed to go to the TE, but Brees fails to make a read on coverage before he throws the ball, and throws into tripple coverage. The play is designed similarly, but the result is different because Brees didn't make the play. He just threw without making good reads.

The point is (which you've missed, dodged, ignored, retarded, and derped the whole time): If you don't make good reads as a QB, at any level of play, you throw picks, your stats suffer, your team often loses games.

Your ridiculous assuption that Cam Newton can't make reads is just that, an assumption based on your own ignorant opinion. Everything else in the history of what he's accomplished this year and in Junior leagues, highlights of the guy's play, and multiple analysist's evaluation shows he has at least above average vision and awareness if not better.

First of all, that play is nothing like the videos I provided

Edit and P.S. - I'll also point out there is MORE in common with the Saint's play to a TE on the left side than the Whitehurst play to a WR running a slant across the end zone.

The only difference between the Saints and Auburn play is in the protection slide. Which... can... be... changed at the line with an audible.

[TheRealDeal]

I'm not trying to be a dick but those plays are nothing alike. Brees doesn't roll, the TE doesn't drag across the field against the flow of the play, and he throws it into the middle of the field.

I really did enjoy your attempt to belittle me and break me down but that post, nor any post you've made, has been able to do that.

Your reading comprehension must struggle a little as well. I never said he can't make reads, I simply stated in the other thread that he plays in a one read spread offense, which is something GMs and Owners should be concerned about picking him #1 overall.

It also has nothing to do with vision but that's a whole different topic.

[Urrymonster]

Guys...seriously...

Cam's is first read. For a start there are only two players running routes, so he can't be anything more than 2nd read. Now here is the telling thing, he is able to look up 3 times between evading the pass rush.

1st time he is watching his player in motion who is staying in blocking

2nd time he looks at his primary receiver...which was the TE

3rd time he evades the pass rush and then goes back to looking at the TE

At no point does he look at any receiver other than the TE. His movement towards the motioning blocker is to shift the field towards the right to set up the open fade route.

Whitehurst's was also the 1st read. Yes he looks to his right to also shift the field, but there was never going to be any intention of throwing there as the receiver was always covered. The play was designed to get the TE free. You could argue that the Wr is still considered a read, how the TE was always the primary receiver.

EDIT - Oh and TheRealDeal is right. The Brees play has absolutely nothing in common with the first two. The Clausen play however does