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Panther Myth Killers

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I am having a fit listening to National Media pundits and even local moronic fans who have short term memories. All of em spewing false Myths about this organization and management. I will list a few and maybe a few of us can add some more:

Myth 1: Jerry Richardson will not spend money FALSE!

-Richardon has always kept his pocketbook open. They have a philosophy of not overpaying for big name free-agents (Haynesworth, TJ Hooshmazoud(hes dominated!)

They have spent money in the past and its burnt them with results they could have gotten from mid tier free agents. Jonathan Stewart in a top 10 draft pick, Peppers was paid and let go(because of age, inconsistancy HUGE cap number and loming CBA) Chris Gamble is overpaid...we pay our guys.

The Last two seasons being the exception but again some fail to realize Richardson has sold his soul for this CBA and setting up huge cap room to hopefully resign all our key free agents and adding a few as well.

I do believe he has every intention to return to his spending form after the CBA is complete but unfortunately we bore the brunt of an extreme payroll slicing roster moves that was only for that reason(Chris Harris)

Myth 2: Hurney Sucks at drafting: FALSE!

-Sure there are misfires..but as a many posts on here have suggested everyone misses in the draft. In fact we are ahead of the curve on Keeping quality starter that make up our core. We have had some of the best drafts the last few seasons:

2011 Gettis 7th, Hardy 6th, LaFell, yes Claussen (Norwood 4th, Armanti yet to be determined)

2009 Captian Munnerlyn 7th, Fiametta, Goodson, Martin

2008 Stewart, Otah, Godfrey, Conner, Schwartz, Bernadeau

2007Beason, Kalil, Charles Johnson

We have struggled with high profile 2nd picks but we have hit pretty well otherwise.

Myth 3 Our Offensive line sucks: FALSE!

-Sure this past season it was atrocious..we had no depth and had a pro bowl-all pro LT coming off an ACL tear. losing a vet LG(Vincent) and had a devastating injury to the road mauler in Otah. Also we had a qb that held on to the ball way too long as we had a lot of inexplicable deep routes in the beginning of the season and very few quick hitting plays.

IMO our passing offense had very little help to hide the shortcomings of the oline and qbs from the coaching staff...but they were getting fired anyway so why bother.

With all this said we definitely need to have an incredible offseason..free agents and get some kind of energy to Charlotte...right now its on course to being one of the worst sports cities in America thx Bobcats as well.

We cannot start the offseason with this: "...and now...ur new coach.. Tom Cable-Grimm-Billick!!"

And no more pick trading unless ur trying to get an elite player..ARMANTI!!!!! thats a fact.

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Good post! Just to add something..

Myth 4 We have absolutely no talent on the team: FALSE!

Talent and chemistry are two different things. Our offense had no chemistry. For examples of chemistry gone wrong, look at the Cowboys before the HC change. What were they? 1-7? They had all the talent in the world, but their HC couldn't get them to gel as a team. Hopefully the Panthers next HC can motivate the team.

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I am having a fit listening to National Media pundits and even local moronic fans who have short term memories. All of em spewing false Myths about this organization and management. I will list a few and maybe a few of us can add some more:

Myth 1: Jerry Richardson will not spend money FALSE!

-Richardon has always kept his pocketbook open. They have a philosophy of not overpaying for big name free-agents (Haynesworth, TJ Hooshmazoud(hes dominated!)

They have spent money in the past and its burnt them with results they could have gotten from mid tier free agents. Jonathan Stewart in a top 10 draft pick, Peppers was paid and let go(because of age, inconsistancy HUGE cap number and loming CBA) Chris Gamble is overpaid...we pay our guys.

The Last two seasons being the exception but again some fail to realize Richardson has sold his soul for this CBA and setting up huge cap room to hopefully resign all our key free agents and adding a few as well.

I do believe he has every intention to return to his spending form after the CBA is complete but unfortunately we bore the brunt of an extreme payroll slicing roster moves that was only for that reason(Chris Harris)

Myth 2: Hurney Sucks at drafting: FALSE!

-Sure there are misfires..but as a many posts on here have suggested everyone misses in the draft. In fact we are ahead of the curve on Keeping quality starter that make up our core. We have had some of the best drafts the last few seasons:

2011 Gettis 7th, Hardy 6th, LaFell, yes Claussen (Norwood 4th, Armanti yet to be determined)

2009 Captian Munnerlyn 7th, Fiametta, Goodson, Martin

2008 Stewart, Otah, Godfrey, Conner, Schwartz, Bernadeau

2007Beason, Kalil, Charles Johnson

We have struggled with high profile 2nd picks but we have hit pretty well otherwise.

Myth 3 Our Offensive line sucks: FALSE!

-Sure this past season it was atrocious..we had no depth and had a pro bowl-all pro LT coming off an ACL tear. losing a vet LG(Vincent) and had a devastating injury to the road mauler in Otah. Also we had a qb that held on to the ball way too long as we had a lot of inexplicable deep routes in the beginning of the season and very few quick hitting plays.

IMO our passing offense had very little help to hide the shortcomings of the oline and qbs from the coaching staff...but they were getting fired anyway so why bother.

With all this said we definitely need to have an incredible offseason..free agents and get some kind of energy to Charlotte...right now its on course to being one of the worst sports cities in America thx Bobcats as well.

We cannot start the offseason with this: "...and now...ur new coach.. Tom Cable-Grimm-Billick!!"

And no more pick trading unless ur trying to get an elite player..ARMANTI!!!!! thats a fact.

all good points but, Gross broke both of his lower leg bones, not a knee injury and JStew was a 13th pick and I think we had Ryan Clady on lock but the Broncos picked him at 12 so we had to get Stew

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I think Carolina Panthers has a strong and proud heritage and should keep to it character means a lot.. thats why i like this organization.. They do spend more mooney than people think we aren't cheap bastards

Yeah But I keep hearing more than enough people taking the last two years(again skewed because of Big Cats CBA agenda) and using that as the way the Panthers have always run their organization. Its simply false.

Hearing fans or media say the Panther are too cheap and will not go after so an so.. who wants to hand Harbaugh 8 million? I like Harbaugh but I would not jump that shark either. Peppers for 14-16 milion a year..no thx.

The Panthers have been regarded as on the of the best organizations in the league probably top 5! Until recently u never heard otherwise...of course we seem to be teetering on have Al Davis like result if this offseason is a disaster.

Now get a quality Offensive guard, CB and 2 DTs and I think we may be fine. I would like to shoot a wad of cash Vincent Jaxs way if AJ Green is not an option. Champ Baily has expressed a desire to play FS so he may come cheaper of give a team a versitile option. Its not perfect but we can turn this around If Tampa could do it or the Rams... ok Qb's and Offensive Coordinator lets go!

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Regarding Hurney and drafting.. there is a scouting department that is a huge factor in all of this.. we did draft pretty badly before we picked up Don Gregory and crew..

The real knock on Hurney should be his gambling on players and picks.. there were plenty of good 2nd round prospects at RB, we could have traded back for Otah, got extra picks and went for a Forte or Rice..

WR is a concern for me, but we did well this past year.. the Edwards thing need to prove beneficial in the next 3 years or else it will stay a blemish..

I'm VERY interested to see this draft.. The decision makers have changed a bit so it'll be fun to see the results of that..

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Don't know. JR does spend money. He's given a bunch to likes Henning, Biakabatuka, Collins, Winkie, Delhome. Don't get me wrong about Jake. He was good until he threw his arm out. "Batuka" was 6 years of disapointment. He's let some good ones go. Jenkins, Goins and Hoover strike me as several of the worst moves

Hurney's made some good choices. If he drafted "Batuka?" That wasn't one of 'em.

Sorry....But our O-line does suck and has sucked with the exception of the '03 season. This is what needs more attention than any other problem we have. Without an O-Line you have nothing and if you do they're going to get hurt. If you don't think so please convince me with statistics.

We have had more talent with the Panthers than most teams. We've let a lot of good ones go. DAn Henning had no clue as to how to use the talent that was on the field. Neither did DAvidson.

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our OLine sucked pre-2008.. I don't think much can be based on the 2010 season.. there are a lot of factors that changed the dynamic of our whole team..

I think Fox being the main one.. and a good example being 2009 against the Eagles.. NO ADJUSTMENTS, WTF!

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Regarding Hurney and drafting.. there is a scouting department that is a huge factor in all of this.. we did draft pretty badly before we picked up Don Gregory and crew..

Good point..By Hurney drafting of course i do mean this as a collective group. I mean in the past it seemed the scouting dept went to a Va tech game and we drafted three guys from there...USC ...do you guys just watch the game of the week,, Gregory has been great.

I firmly believe Armanti is a Big Cat call....the Wofford-App state games and JR gets skewed by the Michigan magic and seeing Armanti run circles around teams in the subdivision.

For me thats been one of the Whu? draft picks ive seen in recent memory. Claussen was a steal on his projections, everette brown was a projected 1st rounder until he was 2 inches shorter that listed.

Even the Dewayne Jarret pick was decent at the time...I had high hopes but when you run 4.7 and drop that bad..well you learn from ur mistakes.

With hindsight yeah not good moves so far but..during the draft..they were for the most part good moves..minus Armanti.

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Don't know. JR does spend money. He's given a bunch to likes Henning, Biakabatuka, Collins, Winkie, Delhome. Don't get me wrong about Jake. He was good until he threw his arm out. "Batuka" was 6 years of disapointment. He's let some good ones go. JJenkins, Goins and Hoover strike me as several of the worst moves

Hurney's made some good choices. If he drafted "Batuka?" That wasn't one of 'em.

Sorry....But our O-line does suck and has sucked with the exception of the '03 season. This is what needs more attention than any other problem we have. Without an O-Line you have nothing and if you do they're going to get hurt. If you don't think so please convince me with statistics.

We have had more talent with the Panthers than most teams. We've let a lot of good ones go. DAn Henning had no clue as to how to use the talent that was on the field. Neither did DAvidson.

-Jenkins left and has had two season ending injuries and possibly career with his last knee tear. with that said Id rather have Kris Jenkins on the sideline than Nick Hayden on the field.

-Goins had one good year but just contributed costly special teams mistakes(fumbles, concussions) he wasnt the same guy after his magic one season.

-Hoover Hoover is a fan fave and put his soul out there..he also left his back out there in 2009. I hate that one more than the others and think Chris Harris was a worse move..but only a financial cap move.

Sorry....But our O-line does suck and has sucked with the exception of the '03 season. This is what needs more attention than any other problem we have. Without an O-Line you have nothing and if you do they're going to get hurt. If you don't think so please convince me with statistics.

Does the 2008-2009 ring a bell? This is the exact reason why I made this post about: One horrific 2010 season with the Oline= "...they have always sucked". Have you watched out oline maul guys so Deangelo and Stewart lead the league in rushing.. Average in pass blocking but dominant run blocking.

Heres some stats for our horrible oline in 2008-2009:

2008: Deangelo Williams-1515 yards 18 tds , Jonathan Stewart 836 10 tds

2009: Delo: 1117 7 tds Jstew: 1133 10 (first tandem to rush over 1100 yrds)

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I agree with most of what you said, but...the O-line does not get a pass. I saw the games. Yes, Pickles had is problems, but Moore and St. Mary (or whatever the f**k his name is) didn't exactly thrive behind their protection. Hell, Moore got concussed directly because of their suck-ass play. The guys got raped!

Secondly, I don't think JR is cheap, per se, but I do think that he "tanked" the team (not purposefully, mind you) because he was too concerned with the possibility of an impending lockout. He was so concerned with the business side of football that he gambled with the product that he put on the field. Thus, we had a team full of real and virtual noobs void of true veteran leadership at key positions. This is how we ended up with the Carolina Panthers, version 2010.

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I agree with most of what you said, but...the O-line does not get a pass. I saw the games. Yes, Pickles had is problems, but Moore and St. Mary (or whatever the f**k his name is) didn't exactly thrive behind their protection. Hell, Moore got concussed directly because of their suck-ass play. The guys got raped!

Secondly, I don't think JR is cheap, per se, but I do think that he "tanked" the team (not purposefully, mind you) because he was too concerned with the possibility of an impending lockout. He was so concerned with the business side of football that he gambled with the product that he put on the field. Thus, we had a team full of real and virtual noobs void of true veteran leadership at key positions. This is how we ended up with the Carolina Panthers, version 2010.

...so exactly what I originally posted. Oline sucked but for reason that will be corrected...JR sold his soul for the CBA and made decision 100% with that goal only. Im sure his sons were against it..they were let go. ..and Hurney..the equivilant of Waylan Smithers to Montgomery Burns is playing along.

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